***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by TLO

Not doubting you, but do you have a link? I'd like to learn more.

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Here ya go TLO,

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...he-official-co

And another from Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/...hs-2021-07-20/

I couldn't find the original article I read that detailed how they came up with the numbers.

[MahomesMagic]

The science before The Science.

Well this can't be true.https://t.co/9DeKvFMqca

— Stinson Norwood �������� (@snorman1776) September 30, 2021

[TLO]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

The science before The Science.

Well this can't be true.https://t.co/9DeKvFMqca

— Stinson Norwood �������� (@snorman1776) September 30, 2021

I'm not sure on this, but I'm thinking the natural immunity with something like measles is far different than natural immunity vs a coronavirus.

[Bearcat]

[insert 3 hours of dissecting everything wrong with Twitter "research" and how two things that may seem counterintuitive at a glance to prop up an agenda can actually make sense if you force yourself to think about it for 3 seconds]




Glad that's over.

[Ninerfan11]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Dude , I know .

It doesn't seem like you do.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm not sure on this, but I'm thinking the natural immunity with something like measles is far different than natural immunity vs a coronavirus.

The major point is that we always recognized natural immunity and now they claim this one virus is different than all the other ones in human history where we don't have have it.

The science didn't change.

We can get into the unknowns of how long it lasts (my guess is against severe disease more than a decade but maybe shorter for protection against infection. Which would still be pretty good since the vaccines have people getting infected a month after getting jabbed).

The original Sars tcells were still recognizing it 17 years later.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm not sure on this, but I'm thinking the natural immunity with something like measles is far different than natural immunity vs a coronavirus.

You are 100% correct. MM is and idiot.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

The major point is that we always recognized natural immunity and now they claim this one virus is different than all the other ones in human history where we don't have have it.

The science didn't change.

We can get into the unknowns of how long it lasts (my guess is against severe disease more than a decade but maybe shorter for protection against infection. Which would still be pretty good since the vaccines have people getting infected a month after getting jabbed).

The original Sars tcells were still recognizing it 17 years later.

I don't think you'll find most reasonable people arguing that natural immunity has no benefit.

I think the degree of benefit it actually provides is still up in the air.

[Bugeater]

Been real hesitant to say anything about it, but screw it. Lumpy's current husband has been in the hospital for nearly a month now and is fighting for his life. And if that's not bad enough, last night he suffered a heart attack. I don't see how he survives this. And no, not vaxxed.



Just get the ****ing vax....

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

It doesn't seem like you do.

It says it in the article.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Been real hesitant to say anything about it, but screw it. Lumpy's current husband has been in the hospital for nearly a month now and is fighting for his life. And if that's not bad enough, last night he suffered a heart attack. I don't see how he survives this. And no, not vaxxed.



Just get the ****ing vax....

That is very sad to hear.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TLO

I don't think you'll find most reasonable people arguing that natural immunity has no benefit.

I think the degree of benefit it actually provides is still up in the air.

Well, the history of vaccines against viruses has NEVER produced a vaccine that was superior to natural immunity.

The point of the vaccination is to stimulate your body's immune system to protect you against a virus without making you sick.

We already have studies coming in that natural immunity is not only stronger against infection but better against variants and has more durability (the vaccines don't seem to produce working memory which is why people are calling for boosters so quickly).

Can I tell you EXACTLY how much protection I have (I had Covid in August)? No, but I know I am more protected than people getting the jab.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by TLO

That is very sad to hear.

They have a young daughter together. It's ****ing heartbreaking...and this on the heels of Gonzo's passing.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Well, the history of vaccines against viruses has NEVER produced a vaccine that was superior to natural immunity.

The point of the vaccination is to stimulate your body's immune system to protect you against a virus without making you sick.

We already have studies coming in that natural immunity is not only stronger against infection but better against variants and has more durability (the vaccines don't seem to produce working memory which is why people are calling for boosters so quickly).

Can I tell you EXACTLY how much protection I have (I had Covid in August)? No, but I know I am more protected than people getting the jab.

I disagree with almost every point you made, but I don't see the point in explaining why when it's not going to make a single bit of difference anyway.

We'll just agree to disagree.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TLO

I disagree with almost every point you made, but I don't see the point in explaining why when it's not going to make a single bit of difference anyway.

We'll just agree to disagree.

If you can provide an example where a vaccine against a virus was superior to natural immunity I will definitely check it out.


My thoughts are just what I learned watching lectures and Q and A's from top immunology, virology types in Spring 2020.