***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Some great news. They stopped the trial early because the results were so overwhelming good. Applying for EUA today.

This could turn out to be one of the most important advances to counter Covid. Molnupiravir, a pill for 5 days (I'll nickname "M-pack") to markedly reduce hospitalization. Await details beyond press release, including safetyhttps://t.co/X1wR9K7vn0 by @matthewherper @statnews pic.twitter.com/hKBZC5Y71Z

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) October 1, 2021

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

You didn't answer the question.

Why this new turn in immunology?

We have never vaccinated the recovered for any other disease before.

Why do you think it's new? Vaccines for all kinds of illnesses were pretty much given to everyone regardless of prior infection many times since vaccines became a thing. Measles, polio, smallpox, and on and on.

Millions of adults get the shingles vaccine despite prior infection.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yes they vaccinate for HPV which I am sure you know all about

Oh and they say the HPV vaccine is much better than getting HPV.

I think you missed what I said.

The measles and smallpox vaccines are far superior to the Covid vaccines...yet they never vaccinated those who already had measles or smallpox.

This isn't a question of would you rather, it is about fundamental immunology.


The new $cience has to erase it.


And I ask you the same question as others. Name one other vaccine against viruses that was superior to natural immunity prior to this year.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think you missed what I said.

The measles and smallpox vaccines are far superior to the Covid vaccines...yet they never vaccinated those who already had measles or smallpox.

This isn't a question of would you rather, it is about fundamental immunology.


The new $cience has to erase it.


And I ask you the same question as others. Name one other vaccine against viruses that was superior to natural immunity prior to this year.

Yes they did.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Why do you think it's new? Vaccines for all kinds of illnesses were pretty much given to everyone regardless of prior infection many times since vaccines became a thing. Measles, polio, smallpox, and on and on.

Millions of adults get the shingles vaccine despite prior infection.

Never for measles and smallpox.

Please provide a link.


Shingles I think it's about time. This is for old people whose immune systems have declined.

How do you catch shingles?
You do not "catch" shingles – it comes on when there's a reactivation of chickenpox virus that's already in your body.

After you've recovered from chickenpox, the varicella-zoster virus lies dormant in your nerve cells and can reactivate at a later stage when your immune system is weakened.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccin...s-and-answers/

Hate to break it to you but I don't think I've aged 4 decades since when I got Covid in August...

[Cheater5]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Hate to break it to you but I don't think I've aged 4 decades since when I got Covid in August...

But did you die?

[O.city]

You do understand the difference in the Varicella virus which is a DNA viral infection and something like Covid or the Influenza virus?

[O.city]

That sucks you got Covid MM. Glad to hear you did ok with it, hope it wasn't too bad.

[MahomesMagic]

In 2007, doctors at the University of Oregon conducted what may be the best study of antibody levels to common infections. They followed 45 subjects for as long as 26 years, measuring their antibody levels to eight common pathogens: measles, mumps, rubella, Epstein-Barr virus, varicella zoster virus (chickenpox), diphtheria, tetanus and vaccinia (the cowpox virus that eradicated smallpox).





The results were remarkable. Antibody half-life — the time required for antibody levels to decrease by 50 percent — was 50 years for varicella zoster virus and, they estimated, more than 200 years for measles and mumps. The half-lives of tetanus and diphtheria were much shorter, 11 years and 19 years, respectively. That’s why, for example, it’s recommended you get a booster tetanus (bacterial,not virus) shot every 10 years.

An important caveat about these data is that immunity from natural infection may last longer than immunity from vaccination. As an example, individuals born before 1957, who grew up in a time when measles was “as inevitable as death and taxes,” may have more durable protection against measles than those who were born later and got the measles vaccine, which became widely available starting in 1963.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/w...ccination.html

Dated 2018..surprised they haven't deleted or hidden this yet...

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think you missed what I said.

The measles and smallpox vaccines are far superior to the Covid vaccines...yet they never vaccinated those who already had measles or smallpox.

This isn't a question of would you rather, it is about fundamental immunology.


The new $cience has to erase it.


And I ask you the same question as others. Name one other vaccine against viruses that was superior to natural immunity prior to this year.

I did. The HPV vaccine is considered superior than getting actual HPV and if you had HPV they still tell you to get the vaccine because it is better.

Of interest, a few vaccines induce a better immune response than natural infection:

Human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine — The high purity of the specific protein in the vaccine leads to a better immune response than natural infection.

Tetanus vaccine — The toxin made by tetanus is so potent that the amount that causes disease is actually lower than the amount that induces a long-lasting immune response. This is why people with tetanus disease are still recommended to get the vaccine.

Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) vaccine — Children less than 2 years old do not typically make a good response to the complex sugar coating (polysaccharide) on the surface of Hib that causes disease; however, the vaccine links this polysaccharide to a helper protein that creates a better immune response than would occur naturally. Therefore, children less than 2 years old who get Hib are still recommended to get the vaccine.

Pneumococcal vaccine — This vaccine works the same way as the Hib vaccine to create a better immune response than natural infection.

[Katipan]

Shingles can affect younger people, too, as a result of factors that can affect the immune system. Periods of high stress, depression and prolonged fatigue may weaken the immune system in otherwise healthy young adults and lead to shingles.

I have no doubt that you don't experience stress or fatigue.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

That sucks you got Covid MM. Glad to hear you did ok with it, hope it wasn't too bad.

It was worse than I expected (I normally am never that sick, last had something similar in my 20's when I had a bad week of flu).

The most annoying part were the headaches.

I didn't lose sense of taste or smell but I did get a weird thought feedback loop with smell.

Fever was gone in 2 days...I will give credit to the Bat Lady, give her the Noble Prize.

[O.city]

Varicella is very similar to the Herpes virus in that it lays dormant in your nerves (iirc). It's really interesting.

I get cold sores, have since I was little. If I get sun burned or am really stressed or get sick, I will always get them. They're HSV 1 then you've got 2 that is more...private parts related.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

It was worse than I expected (I normally am never that sick, last had something similar in my 20's when I had a bad week of flu).

The most annoying part were the headaches.

I didn't lose sense of taste or smell but I did get a weird thought feedback loop with smell.

Fever was gone in 2 days...I will give credit to the Bat Lady, give her the Noble Prize.

Yeah, I've heard similar.

Have a dental colleague around our age who just recovered from it. Was hospitalized for a while. Thankfully he's getting better.

Crazy shit.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I've heard similar.

Have a dental colleague around our age who just recovered from it. Was hospitalized for a while. Thankfully he's getting better.

Crazy shit.

My gf had it and was really annoyed by the brain fog (she didn't get the headaches). She is younger but also women's immune systems are generally stronger .

4-5 days into it I considered getting Ivermectin but then things started to level out and my body got the upper hand.