***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

I think some confuse strong with preferable.

I would imagine if you have a case of covid and fully seroconvert, you would have pretty durable immunity (some may not depending on a lot of factors).

I also think by pushing the strength of natural immunity it could be conferred that it was preferable.

That’s not the case

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Fish

Yeah, that's the dummy that created the "Great Barrington Declaration." He wanted to eliminate all restrictions except for nursing homes, and let people catch covid in order to reach herd immunity. Looking back, that could have been disastrous...

And the US didn't listen to him and had the highest "covid" deaths in the world under Fauci's plan.

I don't call that a success.

[O.city]

The US didn’t really do either, or more they half assed both.

[O.city]

What’s with the covid In parentheses?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

What’s with the covid In parentheses?

There was no set international standard applied by all countries in how they counted covid deaths so I will say part of Fauci's failure was of his own making.

US counted many who were also dying or sick with something else as covid deaths. Average Covid labeled death in US had 6 comorbidities.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

And the US didn't listen to him and had the highest "covid" deaths in the world under Fauci's plan.

I don't call that a success.

Yeah because so many people followed Fauci's recommendations.
Because it was so well implemented.

[Bearcat]

It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to blame a "plan" that was widely dismissed by many states while saying spreading it to everyone would have been the obvious way to go, because those deaths don't really count anyway.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to blame a "plan" that was widely dismissed by many states while saying spreading it to everyone would have been the obvious way to go, because those deaths don't really count anyway.

Great Barrington was simply a reaffirmation of Western Pandemic planning.

There was never a plan for everyone to get infected but instead protect the vulnerable.

The new science was simply taking China at their word that they controlled the virus.

Obviously you have never read prior pandemic planning before 2020.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yeah because so many people followed Fauci's recommendations.
Because it was so well implemented.

Do you consider Australia a covid success story?

[TLO]

I'm honestly just glad you've moved on from talking about ivermectin.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm honestly just glad you've moved on from talking about ivermectin.

He hasn't.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by penguinz

He hasn't.

He thinks the best way to avoid getting a disease is getting the disease , the type of medical hot takes you would expect from a glorified car salesman.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Monticore

He thinks the best way to avoid getting a disease is getting the disease , the type of medical hot takes you would expect from a glorified car salesman.

Remember when Biden said if you get vaccinated you can't get sick?

Remember when the CDC director Walensky said if you get vaccinated you can't spread the virus?

Remember when Fauci stated these vaccines were almost 100 percent effective against hospitalizations and death?

No wonder you're lashing out.

I would be upset too if I got suckered like you did.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Remember when Biden said if you get vaccinated you can't get sick?

Remember when the CDC director Walensky said if you get vaccinated you can't spread the virus?

Remember when Fauci stated these vaccines were almost 100 percent effective against hospitalizations and death?

No wonder you're lashing out.

I would be upset too if I got suckered like you did.

I don't follow politics or watch the news much and if I do it isn't American so I was not aware of these statements, so it really had nothing to do with me thinking you are a dumbass.

The fact that you didn't dispute what I said is rather telling as well.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I don't follow politics or watch the news much and if I do it isn't American so I was not aware of these statements, so it really had nothing to do with me thinking you are a dumbass.

These were promises made by the people leading the US Covid response.

I bet I can find equally silly hyperbole from Canada.

Were these people lying? Uninformed?

Or were they hyping products...like a used car salesman for Pharma interests?