***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[loochy]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

didnt they kick everyone a check a couple years ago for somethng?

yeah, I remember overhearing this lady at walmart


"he gona gimme mah stimu-yus check and I'ma buy that there teevee"

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by loochy

bad news is that often it has a 2 week incubation plus it takes a while after that for someone to get sick enough to go downhill and die


people don't just catch it and die the next day


at least we don't look like Italy yet - what in the effing eff is up with that place?

Not according to most of what we're seeing now.

3-5 days incubation is being more and more accepted. It's not taken as fact just yet, but it's where people are trending.

Italy appears to be starting to see a trend-down in its contraction rates (unless new stuff emerged today) and that coincides with their lockdown 5 days ago. Even before that data point came in, more science was suggesting 3-5 days and as corroborating evidence, that's a REALLY strong data point.

Everything's changing faster than I can absorb it, but it does seem like maybe the incubation period on this is shorter than we initially believed.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by tk13

Four Nets have tested positive for the coronavirus, team says.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) March 17, 2020

RIP Fournette

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by loochy

bad news is that often it has a 2 week incubation plus it takes a while after that for someone to get sick enough to go downhill and die


people don't just catch it and die the next day


at least we don't look like Italy yet - what in the effing eff is up with that place?

I've been reading that alot of people feel like they have the cold, then they feel like they have the flu, then they feel a bit better and then wham. Pneumonia and death.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

From new studies they are doing they believe the incubation is now 5 days or less.

I type fast but I talk too much.

So...this.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

From new studies they are doing they believe the incubation is now 5 days or less.

Man, I hope this is true.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, to my eyes that's just backwards. It's populist (to be generous) and does little to truly calm things.

That approach will GET people laid off. You want to prevent layoffs, back loans. And if companies get them but then don't need them, they'll pay 'em back. If they need 'em but the economy comes out as hot as many expect when this passes, they'll recover significant chunks of those losses as things improve and can pay them back over a reasonably short period of time.

But you have to give businesses the confidence that there will be banks willing to stand behind them. And to do that you have to signal the banks that the government will stand behind them.

I disagree and this is why I thought the shutting down on businesses was a bad idea. This was surely the next step. Most folks live paycheck to paycheck. You can't force them out of work then not pay them.

It's crazy how Trump just took Andrew Yang's idea and put this in place. What will the Burney Bros say now?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

I read an article about it earlier where someone had a hypothesis about it - let me try and find it again..

https://www.wired.com/story/why-the-...italy-so-hard/

[eDave]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Glad I'm not the only one.

Like I said, it seems to be pure populism and 100% politically motivated. This does NOTHING to impact the underlying fundamentals and the overarching impacts of this thing on our economy.

It's not going to win my vote.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I've been reading that alot of people feel like they have the cold, then they feel like they have the flu, then they feel a bit better and then wham. Pneumonia and death.

See and I wonder if simple awareness will bring that 'incubation rate' down. If maybe that's what initially had us at 10-14 days.

Because at 5 days they had a cough and a slight fever and thought nothing of it. So they didn't do anything and they slowly kicked the fever. But then their system was overwhelmed, started losing the fight and by days 9-10 they were in significant distress.

That's just the nature of viral illness. You get it, you feel some crap, your body responds and attacks. You start to feel better and if your body wins the fight, that's that. You keep felling better and join the ranks of the recovered. Yippee!!! But if your body goes through its first wave, you feel better, and then the body starts to LOSE the fight, you backslide into the critical category and shit hits the fan.

When they report feeling like shit on day 10, that's the birth of a "10 day incubation period!!!". It also makes sense because only the more serious cases (those that didn't win with the first wave) were being reported and intensely studied. Now that awareness has shifted strongly upward, people are reporting fever/cough earlier in and suddenly we're noticing that this thing is surfacing MUCH faster - people just didn't realize what they were being hit with.

We're gonna beat this thing. I think we'll beat it faster than we realize. But I really hope we get a better stimulus package in the interim.

[Titty Meat]

Makes you wonder wtf is going to be lert of this economy

https://thehill.com/policy/technolog...-to-warehouses

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Glad I'm not the only one.

Like I said, it seems to be pure populism and 100% politically motivated. This does NOTHING to impact the underlying fundamentals and the overarching impacts of this thing on our economy.

I go further than that.

$1,000 to everyone who qualifies (and what criteria is that beyond don't be a millionaire?) doesn't mean jack even in Kansas City if it costs $3,000 a month for a family of four to live. Sure it'll help everyone who got knocked off their feet for this month but then what about the next?

Airline and cruise line bailout? How do they take precedence when we could be looking at real disruption in typical Monday to Friday, 8 to 6 business operations, then factoring in the effect an increase in unemployment and then factor a sudden absence of tax revenues in cities or states that already have budget problems.

This is why I made the Wile E. Coyote reference earlier in the thread: it seems like we've run off the cliff that was our way of life but we're still just chugging along like we're running at full speed after the Roadrunner.

Meep Meep.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by loochy

yeah, I remember overhearing this lady at walmart


"he gona gimme mah stimu-yus check and I'ma buy that there teevee"

God bless her. And her TV. And the hemorrhoids she got sitting there watching her said TV.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Or buy a bunch of food, or?

Right but assume someone who's last paycheck came Friday and there isn't a next one. Are they hoping for their landlord or mortgage lender to just forget about collecting their due for April and beyond?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Lprechaun

All bars and nightclubs close by 8 pm i think it is. Restaurants have to cut capacity to 50% and will be set lower shortly. My wife manages a salon and with the amount of elderly people that come in they are effectively shut down due to the close contact needed.

My work is in people's homes, people who want to isolate from others. It's the right thing to do but it's going to hurt.

I'm also going to be dropping my rate to help those who are also affected once it's over.

Sorry for your troubles. Best of luck going forward.

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