***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

I bailed on my 3rd shot. I'm just not convinced yet.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by TLO

I bailed on my 3rd shot. I'm just not convinced yet.

I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. There's very little harm in doing it, but it's only a modest benefit. So you do you.

[Fish]

New study showing that vaccination might give better lasting protection than infection after all.

Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 Among Adults Hospitalized with COVID-19–Like Illness with Infection-Induced or mRNA Vaccine-Induced SARS-CoV-2 Immunity — Nine States, January–September 2021

What is already known about this topic?

Previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19 vaccination can provide immunity and protection against subsequent SARS-CoV-2 infection and illness.

What is added by this report?

Among COVID-19–like illness hospitalizations among adults aged ≥18 years whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, the adjusted odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were 5.49-fold higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine who had no previous documented infection (95% confidence interval = 2.75–10.99).

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Fish

New study showing that vaccination might give better lasting protection than infection after all.

Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 Among Adults Hospitalized with COVID-19–Like Illness with Infection-Induced or mRNA Vaccine-Induced SARS-CoV-2 Immunity — Nine States, January–September 2021

What is already known about this topic?

Previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19 vaccination can provide immunity and protection against subsequent SARS-CoV-2 infection and illness.

What is added by this report?

Among COVID-19–like illness hospitalizations among adults aged ≥18 years whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, the adjusted odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were 5.49-fold higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine who had no previous documented infection (95% confidence interval = 2.75–10.99).

This might be the equivalent of the CDC's Kentucky "study".

This @CDCgov study in @CDCMMWR has a major statistical flaw, and the 5x conclusion is wrong. It implicitly assumes that hospitalized respiratory patients are representative of the population, which they are not. Trying to connect with authors. https://t.co/dCQv6VLENU

— Martin Kulldorff (@MartinKulldorff) October 30, 2021

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Fish

New study showing that vaccination might give better lasting protection than infection after all.

So basically people will just pick whichever study they want to believe and move on.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

This might be the equivalent of the CDC's Kentucky "study".

This @CDCgov study in @CDCMMWR has a major statistical flaw, and the 5x conclusion is wrong. It implicitly assumes that hospitalized respiratory patients are representative of the population, which they are not. Trying to connect with authors. https://t.co/dCQv6VLENU

— Martin Kulldorff (@MartinKulldorff) October 30, 2021

They didn't include people who were vaccinated or had previous infection longer than 179 days. Which is right at the 6 month mark when vaccine effectiveness is supposed to start waning.

These type of studies from the cdc makes it hard to trust anything they say.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by Fish

New study showing that vaccination might give better lasting protection than infection after all.

Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 Among Adults Hospitalized with COVID-19–Like Illness with Infection-Induced or mRNA Vaccine-Induced SARS-CoV-2 Immunity — Nine States, January–September 2021

What is already known about this topic?

Previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19 vaccination can provide immunity and protection against subsequent SARS-CoV-2 infection and illness.

What is added by this report?

Among COVID-19–like illness hospitalizations among adults aged ≥18 years whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, the adjusted odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were 5.49-fold higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine who had no previous documented infection (95% confidence interval = 2.75–10.99).

Take data from only hospitalized respiratory patients from 9 states. Discard any data other than between 3 and 6 months after vaccination or prior infection.

Then claim on that sample vaccinated people have greater long term immunity than people with prior infection.

In what world is 3 to 6 months long term? Why only hospitalized respiratory patients? Why only these 9 states?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/rajeevjayadevan/...138501131?s=21

Read this thread Nirvana it might help

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

I bailed on my 3rd shot. I'm just not convinced yet.

I was waffling too until I went to see my primary care doctor last week. He told me to definitely get it especially since my 2nd dose was Jan 6th. He said he got his booster and flu shot at the same time with no issues and he is about the same age as me. So I said **** it I will do it.

I will admit I am having alot more immune responses from the booster than I ever did with the first 2 Pfizer shots. I have some arm pit pan, muscle aches and cold chills so far after 28 hrs.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

So basically people will just pick whichever study they want to believe and move on.

I don't think we, as a society, are capable of having much of a discussion that is based on facts for anything mildly complicated or politicized.

And that's probably about all that's appropriate for the non-DC thread.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by O.city

Read this thread Nirvana it might help

I did a quick skim through. Will do a better deep dive when I have more time.

Looks like the doctor is saying that unvaccinated and vaccinated equal out at 6 months because the unvaccinated developed natural immunity through exposure or infection.

Seems like it is a case against boosters and would confirm that natural immunity is just as effective as the vaccine.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by O.city

Always aspirate. Bad shit can happen if you don’t.

Ask me how I know

Thats what we were trained to do 30 years ago in paramedic school. Always aspirate, then inject.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

I did a quick skim through. Will do a better deep dive when I have more time.

Looks like the doctor is saying that unvaccinated and vaccinated equal out at 6 months because the unvaccinated developed natural immunity through exposure or infection.

Seems like it is a case against boosters and would confirm that natural immunity is just as effective as the vaccine.

Thanks Nirvana for your input. I appreciate all views and you have always seemed very sharp and well informed.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Thanks Nirvana for your input. I appreciate all views and you have always seemed very sharp and well informed.

Thank you sir. I believe most people are just trying to make the best decisions for themselves their families.

With so much disinformation out there on both sides. It can be extremely difficult to know what that is.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

I did a quick skim through. Will do a better deep dive when I have more time.

Looks like the doctor is saying that unvaccinated and vaccinated equal out at 6 months because the unvaccinated developed natural immunity through exposure or infection.

Seems like it is a case against boosters and would confirm that natural immunity is just as effective as the vaccine.

So you can either get the vaccination or Covid.