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Guys age now and that's a big factor. This isn't the late 90s/early 2000s when steroids were keeping guys productive in their mid-30s. Aging curves have returned to normal where your good but not great players are starting to decline by their 31/32 years. And when most of these FAs are looking for deals that take them into their 33-34 seasons, teams aren't excited to be paying $20+ million for the out years on those deals anymore. Additional information and smarter front-offices is exposing these super-long deals as really bad gambles. It's not collusion when owners decide that they're done getting burned by stupid contracts. It's a simple market correction.
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If you can get close to your value for 1/2 that contract, the ancillary benefits will forward pay the back years. The player won't have to play to the level of his contract for the entire deal at that point. But Hosmer and Moustakas aren't those caliber of players. They aren't the HoF guys that people will buy tickets just to come out and see. They're guys that are going to have produce to their contract or the owner won't get the returns he needs. Stanton will be an interesting test case if he opts out. His body and the violence in his swing suggest he won't age terribly well. If he opts out, he'll be entering his age 31 season on the first year of his deal. But if he opts out it will be because he performed the last 3 years and he'll be a big-time guy on the marquis. He'll sell tickets and one of those flashy owners will recognize that he may well pay for a 10 year deal if he just manages to hit HRs through 35 and then spend the last half chasing records. There will still be bad contracts, but there will be fewer of them for baseball's upper-middle class, IMO.
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01-04-2018, 12:08 PM | #561 |
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According to Rosenthal the Brewers may be interested in Cain
Also @jcrasnick: The #Rangers have ramped up their pursuit of free agent outfielder Lorenzo Cain, says a source. |
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Lorenzo Cain to the Rangers would make it easy to root for him, and I think he'd do well offensively there.
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Deep down, I'm still hopeful he goes to an NL team so he could take a well deserved Gold Glove before his career is said and done.
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Hey, maybe we learned a lesson with Gordon. Then again, I'm not sure we HAD to make that mistake to already understand the lesson in the first place.
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Guys with loud mechanics that blast a lot of balls into the dirt sure make me nervous. Hosmer's probably not in a 'years' fight right now as much as he is in an AAV battle. A 7 year deal takes him through age 34 and that's where the real steep plummet comes according to most aging curves. So if you can get a guy through 34, you recognize that he's not going to be as good at 31-34, but he won't be a shell of himself either. At least not in all probability. But the chances go up significantly that at 34-35, you're getting a guy that may not even be MLB caliber anymore. The wall comes that quickly for the good but not great players. Teams may be dickering over a year here or there but it's just because they don't want to pay as much in AAV for him. I don't think anyone's convinced that he's anything more than a nice player and Boras is wanting superstar money. I think teams would gladly give him 7/$125 because they think his true worth is in that general $18 million range. But they aren't excited to be giving him $21 million knowing that he just may not be that kind of ballplayer now, let alone 4-5 years from now.
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@rustindodd: The Royals are close on a deal that will send reliever Scott Alexander to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Still waiting on what's coming back to KC. @McCulloughTimes: Sources: The Dodgers are close to finalizing a three-team trade that would bring LHP Scott Alexander to LA, send RHP Trevor Oaks to KC and send LHP Luis Avilan to White Sox. |
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