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Old 04-25-2013, 08:04 PM  
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:50 AM   #556
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You have to contextualize the Akili Smith stuff. It started with Pro Football Weekly's scouting report of him, which was posted on ESPN's site.

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Ht: 6-23/8 | Wt: 218 | Sp: 4.59 | Arm: 321/2 | Hand: 91/4

Notes: His cousin, Melvin Bratton, was a star running back for the Miami Hurricanes in the late 1980s. The Florida prep was a Parade All-American selection after throwing for over 3,000 yards and 32 touchdowns. Saw limited action in five games as a true freshman in 2009, completing 32-of-49 passes for 309 yards (65.3 percent) with one touchdown and one interception while playing through a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot for part of the season. Took over as the starter in ’10 and tossed 241-372-2,763-24-7 (64.8) in 13 starts. Was the first West Virginia QB in 12 years to throw for over 2,500 yards in a season. Garnered heavy recognition for ’11 season, setting the Big East Conference and school mark for passing yards with 346-526-4,385-31-7 (65.8), in addition to becoming the first Mountaineer QB in history and only the second Big East player to surpass 4,000 yards in a season in 13 starts. Named Orange Bowl MVP after throwing for 407 yards and six touchdowns against Clemson. Set the school record and led the Big 12 Conference in touchdown passes in ’12 after tossing 369-518-4,205-42-6 (a conference-leading 71.2) in 13 starts. Threw for 656 yards and eight touchdowns in a 70-63 shootout victory against Baylor. Had a 26-13 record in 39 career starts.

Positives: Has a strong arm and can rifle the ball with good velocity into tight windows. Can throw with accuracy on the move and layer the deep ball. Good overall accuracy, ball placement and touch, especially on the fade route. Throws a very catchable ball — spins it tightly. Good escapability — can sidestep the rush, find an open throwing window and extend plays with his feet when needed. Outstanding straight-line speed — clocked the best 40-yard time (4.56 seconds) and broad jump (10-foot-4) of any quarterback at the Combine. Very durable, experienced, three-year starter — overcame an average offensive line, has never missed any time to injury and will play through pain.

Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching.

Summary: Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of overexcitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities.
NFL projection: Top-50 pick.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:03 AM   #557
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Seriously? The entire league passed on him.

This is the same as people rationalizing the Alex Smith trade.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that part of my rationale for having him at #1 was that I don't think there are any can't-miss star players in this draft (including him). I think if you shift the entire round from yesterday around, just shake it up and let the names fall to whichever team, it wouldn't make any difference at all, meaning I do not think there's very much of a dropoff from the players taken in the top-5 to the players taken at the end of the round. Which is, coincidentally, why I desperately wanted us to trade down (but expected that we couldn't, because...who would anybody trade up to #1 for...). And I think there are still players on the board now who fall into that group as well, including both Geno and Barkley. I think we're going to sorely regret not having that 34th pick, if only because I think it would have tremendous trade value.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:09 AM   #558
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:13 AM   #559
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:15 AM   #560
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:17 AM   #561
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:23 AM   #562
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Look, I wanted Geno too. I'm not a fan of Alex smith.

But geez, guys. You have one side treating Alex smith like a franchise qbs and another side screaming that all teams made a mistake in order to justify a reach of one full round.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:24 AM   #563
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:27 AM   #564
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Look, I wanted Geno too. I'm not a fan of Alex smith.

But geez, guys. You have one side treating Alex smith like a franchise qbs and another side screaming that all teams made a mistake in order to justify a reach of one full round.
I was all on the Geno train until the end of the season when he played like shit, then he didnt overly impress during any of the predraft stuff.

The more you saw of him the more you had to justify the pick purely because of the "I want a drafted QB" mentality.

Eventually it was fairly obvious Geno isn't what I wanted him to be and many here still think he is. He has potential but he also has major concerns.

Reid and Dorsey weren't going to bet the next 3 years of JC, DJ, Hali, and Bowe's talent hoping it worked out. At least that's how I see it.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:32 AM   #565
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Pretty much is. Manuel's was drafted for his arm to play in Buffalo.
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Part of that is because when the QB gurus were and have been proven wrong they never backed off. They didn't learn any grace from being wrong multiple times while spewing hateful stuff all over the planet over and over. So they will not be given any for they do not deserve it. They didn't earn it because they have shown the same vial behavior to all.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:44 AM   #569
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Bullshit. All I ever said was that they shouldn't take him if they weren't sold on him as their franchise guy, and that it was a repeat of 2009 without Stafford, and you asshats were all over me.

And now you look as stupid as you were acting.
Wow, self-centered much? I don't have a crush on you, dipshit.

You weren't around here in the fall when htismaqe and I had to deal with all the dumbasses like BlackBob. It was ****ing awful.
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Chiefs have the worst history in the NFL wiht QB's. Finally lose enough to put themselves in a position where QBs are usually chosen. Some on here really liked the top QB prospect.


I don't understand why thats such a bad thing I guess. Just happened to be the Chiefs sucked in a year that didn't match up with that.
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