Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick?

[Mecca]

Since I'm seeing people starting to lean that way I really want to know...he's not a rusher 9 1/2 sacks in 4 years...he has nearly as many INT's as he does sacks over the course of his college career...

Does this mean he's a bad player no it doesn't, but the type of LB he is does not make him worth a top 5 pick. Fathom this Ernie Sims was taken 10 as a traditional 4-3 OLB he's a very nice player...is he a difference maker up in Detroit, he's not. And it can be easily argued that he's more naturally gifted than Curry is..the OLB position in a 4-3 is not a game changing core position.

Not to mention you could sign the #1 LB on the market of FA for half of what you'd have to pay Curry to do the same thing.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I know Sanchez is but there's no guarantee either of them do anything alot of top prospects wait till pro days.

Sanchez's brother/agent just told the LA times he will throw at the combine.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by orange

I'm waiting for you to provide ANY information from ANYONE - 18th rate, 1st rate, or anything in between, including YOU, YOURSELF - that didn't rave about Leinart. That shit about the "deep out" is just some bar-raising bulltripe you added after it was pointed out that Leinart "had the best deep ball" in the country.

You are truly a stupid ****.

You're the one who posted the scouting report raving about his ability to throw the deep ball...the very same scouting report that also questioned his arm strength and ability to throw the deep out.

[orange]

Yet another 18th-rate draft site checking in:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=93&f=1801&t=3826483

Mark Sanchez scouting report, Matthew Stafford to follow...

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Athleticism
While teams won’t have to game plan to stop his running ability, he does possess mobility in terms of being able to move within the pocket to buy time, and reset his feet and his shoulders. He is capable of pulling the ball down and taking off to pick up yardage, but is not a threat in the open field. As the 2008 season progressed he developed certain poor habits in his mechanics and footwork that will need correction. In particular, he sets at too wide a base, which not only lowers his eye level and release point, buts hurts his ability to move within the pocket, and keeps him from fully transferring his weight properly. Because of this, while he does throw with good velocity, it often comes from having to over-throw the ball.

Size and Strength
Mark has good size for an NFL quarterback, but considering his issues in the summer with his knee whoever drafts him will need to work quickly with him in improving his stance, as leaves himself vulnerable to dangerous hits on his lower body because of his long stance and over-stride. While his arm strength improved by year’s end, he does not possess a naturally strong arm, and really has to make a concerted effort to put heat on his ball.

[orange]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You are truly a stupid ****.

You're the one who posted the scouting report raving about his ability to throw the deep ball...the very same scouting report that also questioned his arm strength and ability to throw the deep out.

One guy I just listed says Sanchez overthrows. Does that make it true?

The original point I made - the question I posed to Mecca - was why Sanchez will succeed in Haley's offense while Leinart faile. He gave the same old lame excuse that Leinart was drafted to be a WCO quarterback. The whole arm-strength thing is nothing but a side issue and I never put any stock in it beyond calling Mecca on his claim that Sanchez' is special. So enjoy your little triumph over a point I never made. I readily admit no one raved about Leinart's arm strength - just that he was the best QB prospect, a sure-thing franchise QB.

Show me ANYTHING AT ALL that suggested Leinart could only play in a WCO.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by orange

One guy I just listed says Sanchez overthrows. Does that make it true?

The original point I made - the question I posed to Mecca - was why Sanchez will succeed in Haley's offense while Leinart faile. He gave the same old lame excuse that Leinart was drafted to be a WCO quarterback. The whole arm-strength thing is nothing but a side issue and I never put any stock in it beyond calling Mecca on his claim that Sanchez' is special.

Show me ANYTHING AT ALL that suggested Leinart could only play in a WCO.

You said no scouting reports questioned Leinart's arm

You posted a link from a site to back up your claim, because it praised his ability to throw the deep ball.

The very same link, questioned his arm strength all the while you were claiming that none of them did.

kill yourself.

[orange]

Originally Posted by orange

Let's talk about Leinart:

"at USC, Matt Leinart has shown good accuracy on all routes, to go along with good down-field vision. He throws one of the best deep balls in college football, putting the ball where only his guy can get it."

Show me someone who didn't think he has a strong arm.

To my mind, "throwing one of the best deep balls in college football" implies a strong arm - not deluxe ("elite" I think was your word). The deep out is something you added on. Not a point that I emphasized or cared about, since I never claimed Leinart had an "elite" arm. Just that it was good enough to be a "certain" franchise QB and the top-rated QB on every draft board and mock.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by orange

To my mind, "throwing one of the best deep balls in college football" implies a strong arm - not deluxe ("elite" I think was your word). The deep out is something you added on. Not a point that I emphasized or cared about, since I never claimed Leinart had an "elite" arm.

If you really think throwing a deep ball is a reflection of arm strength stop now you don't know what you're talking about.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If you really think throwing a deep ball is a reflection of arm strength stop now you don't know what you're talking about.

so to throw the ball 40 yards downfield doesnt take arm strength?

[orange]

If you want to tell me that "questions about his ability to throw the deep out" is a red flag that says "this guy can't play in the NFL," then I'll put that right there with your claim that Cornerback is a position with high "positional draft value."

What about that, Mecca or "Hamas?" I've posted the question over and over, but you never seem to answer.

Why have no CB's been drafted higher than #5 in a decade? Why is the highest CB ever chosen #3? Why do you want a CB at #3 if Sanchez isn't there?

You guys are self-professed draft experts. Please enlighten us amateurs.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

so to throw the ball 40 yards downfield doesnt take arm strength?

Not a fly no, even Chad Pennington can throw a lollypop long ball and he has an awful arm..

15-20 yard outs are true indications of arm strength..

If you guys are really going to argue this you are just going to make yourselves look dumb.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by orange

If you want to tell me that "questions about his ability to throw the deep out" is a red flag that says "this guy can't play in the NFL," then I'll put that right there with your claim that Cornerback is a position with high "positional draft value."

Great, I just know that you have no idea what you're talking about, this thread now has post after post of that proof.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

so to throw the ball 40 yards downfield doesnt take arm strength?

Not unless you are throwing into a high wind. It's about the angle at which the ball comes out and accuracy.

Arm strength is shown by the ability to throw three routes:

The deep out, skinny post, and the square in.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Not a fly no, even Chad Pennington can throw a lollypop long ball and he has an awful arm..

15-20 yard outs are true indications of arm strength..

If you guys are really going to argue this you are just going to make yourselves look dumb.

really so chad pennington throws a "good" deep ball in your opinion?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Not unless you are throwing into a high wind. It's about the angle at which the ball comes out and accuracy.

Arm strength is shown by the ability to throw three routes:

The deep out, skinny post, and the square in.

but if the ball hangs up there it gives the DB a chance to make a play right? so IMO a "good" deep ball cant hang forever. it has to be more on a rope

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

really so chad pennington throws a "good" deep ball in your opinion?

No but he's a good example of how even a guy with the worst arm can throw a ball 50 yards on a straight fly...

No one judges arm strength on a fly, look what Hamas said above me he sums it up well it's judged on throws like that. One where if you don't get it there with enough strength your pass is getting jumped.