I think i need some advice - Page 3

Katipan · 01-03-2006, 05:25 PM

NOW this thread is going somewhere!

Taco John · 01-03-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Of course it does; but you knew that, lover. I just got tired of your headaches.

WOW. Gay AND delusional! Add in Schizo and you've got the trifecta!

Mr. Kotter · 01-03-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

WOW. Gay AND delusional! Add in Schizo and you've got the trifecta!

You use to like our "Elton John-George Michael-Ellen DeGeneres" role play.

I now understand why you always chose to be on the receiving end of Ellen's "Big John" strap-on though.....

Mr. Kotter · 01-03-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

I dated a schizophrenic girl once.

I don't recommend that.

As long as her personalities were all nymphs....

Mr. Kotter · 01-03-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

schizophrenia dne mpd.

dne mpd.....dance New England multiple personality disorder?

Really? You dated the whole New England cheerleading squad?

NOW, you got my attention.

patteeu · 01-03-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

WTF did that come from?

I had a friend who made many of the same bad choices as QuikSsurfer. He had a childhood that was less than perfect although I don't really know the details. He struggled with his gayness (it conflicted with his fundamentalist Christian upbringing until he decided to abandon religion in favor of hedonism). He had drug problems that he couldn't shake. He was smart, but dropped out of college when he was less than a semester away from graduating with a relatively useless degree. After leaving school, he continued to make bad decisions by hanging out with people who fed his hedonistic lifestyle. He had cocaine problems and even during the periods when he got away from cocaine, he continued to smoke pot, believing/claiming that he needed pot to remain sane. Eventually, he took advantage of and alienated most of the real friends that he had (e.g. borrowing money from them without any real intention of paying them back, living with them without making much of an effort to get on his own feet, general dishonesty, etc.). As far as I know, he continues to barely scrape by, reaping the results of bad decisions of the past and making new bad decisions. Even in his sex life he's made bad decisions choosing to target college-aged straight guys for one-night stands fueled by drugs and alcohol rather than trying to find a gay partner with whom he can have a real relationship. The guy's a mess.

sedated · 01-03-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

The guy's a mess.

Ultra Peanut · 01-03-2006, 07:26 PM

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For my part, I don't have a problem with MJ. I think it's better than alcohol, and don't see it as a threat in society. But it's not serving your better interests right now, and indeed, it's probably always going to be your own personal gateway to the other stuff that you don't need in your life.

I would agree with that, in whole.

Ultra Peanut · 01-03-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFan4Life

Ah, so you are a religious man...

You come on here asking for advice when all you do is ignore the good advice or give excuses why you can't follow it and when someone comes along and gives you support for what you are currently doing (being a dumbass) then you +rep them

I didn't offer my support for him bumming around Oxford and doing coke, or anything, I simply responded to the first of many posts saying the military will fix everything ("All problems fixed.") and he should really, truly JUST GO DO IT NOW TO BECOME A BETTER PERSON OR YOU'RE FOREVER DOOMED TO A WORTHLESS LIFE!

I just think the military is something that you should look into for a better reason than, "My life sucks and I need help," is all.

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Actually, I'm just being non-judgemental, because I know that all of the "you're a loser" stuff is going nowhere.

But... but... condemning someone is the best way to help them!

**Iowanian** · 01-03-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer

I don't think that i'm a loser at all. I could be content with having a construction job if it paid the bills and offered decent benefits. Thanks for the post though

Don't be mistaken for all the tender feelings around here.

based on what you posted, right now in your life, you're the DEFINITION of LOSER.

You're an unmotivated, college dropout with 5 years of debt(or wasted parental money), you've done enough fugging up that some of your family has disowned you, you've got a drug habbit you're denying and you're looking for easy answers.

The more I think about it, DON'T go live with your grandparents. They're probably just nice people you'll end up taking advantage of and stealing from to support your "non-habbit".

One of my best friends is a recovering You. I've seen this song and dance many, many times.

You're a loser at this point in your life, no matter what the other stoned video gamers you spent the afternoon with say. Only YOU can change that.

Taco John · 01-03-2006, 07:36 PM

I don't think Endelt is much into video games.

sedated · 01-03-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

you're the DEFINITION of LOSER.

so...what are you trying to say?

you gotta stop beating around the bush and give it to me straight

Taco John · 01-03-2006, 07:54 PM

Being a 'loser' is such a subjective thing. Dropping the "you're a loser" judgement doesn't sway anyone towards or away from anything if they don't feel like a loser. It seems like fruitless work to have to first convince someone that they are indeed a loser before you can give them any advice.

I don't know if the guy is truly a loser, or just a standard American kid who knows that he needs to make better choices. Certainly, he's making some poor ones, and that's before even factoring in the drugs. Poor choices are compounded when they're combined with drugs, that's for sure. That's definitely the road to loserdom. But a full blown loser, I'm not so sure.

The problem with young people today is very few of them know what they want out of life. So rather than sitting down and working to figure it out, they get caught in whatever feels good at the moment and ride that until they start to realize there is more to life than just this.

Ultimately, the one constant in this thread that everyone seems to agree on is that "You" are the only one capable of changing anything about your life at all. Sounds like you need to figure out who you are and what you want out of life, and then move from there.

**QuikSsurfer** · 01-03-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFan4Life

Ah, so you are a religious man...

You come on here asking for advice when all you do is ignore the good advice or give excuses why you can't follow it and when someone comes along and gives you support for what you are currently doing (being a dumbass) then you +rep them

Please don't throw that in my face right now, or ever again. Posts like this do absolutely nothing for me. I used to be religious. I just.. enjoy books now.
There are a lot of different beliefs on this board.

**QuikSsurfer** · 01-03-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

My man, I've known a few people that needed re-hab to get on with their life. When your demons own you, it's time for re-hab.

I'm beyond afraid of that.

**QuikSsurfer** · 01-03-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

Step 1 - Give any leftover drugs to me.

Step 2 - Leave me alone (with my bong and straw)

then you'll be posting a thread simliar to this

**QuikSsurfer** · 01-03-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Speaking of losers...

lol

**QuikSsurfer** · 01-03-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

What did you think we were actually gonna help the kid?

Best I can do is serve as a counterexample. Course, my life's pretty fucking together for being a pothead. Got me a steady job, a nice condo, a beautiful girlfriend. Oh, if only I hadn't smoked pot. Think of what I could have achieved!

I need the steady job. I've been out most of the day filling out applications and leaving resumes. Course, I had to only look for jobs in the area where I could ride my bike or hitch a ride from the roommate. I have a nice lady friend who I care a lot about but she has similar drug related problems. Before any of you say some shit that I need to get away from this girl and my friends... please understand the situation. my family is out of the picture. all i have are these people (who I can see, touch, and hear) right now to help me through this. I influenced most of the people I hung around.. but because i love marijuana.. I need to come across a good paying job here in oxford. I'm counting on that

**QuikSsurfer** · 01-03-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mer

I just get pregnant when I need a break.

holy shit

**Rain Man** · 01-03-2006, 08:42 PM

At best, the marijuana is a waste of money that you need for other things right now. And there are a lot of people that you can meet who don't have drug problems.

Obviously, you sense that your current situation is not positive or you wouldn't have posted this thread. If you want to improve your lot in life, the best way to do it is to not waste money on vices and to hang out with people who live the life you want to live. It's like the old work adage, "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have."

**QuikSsurfer** · 01-03-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

QickSsurfer, are you gay?

What the fuck!!! DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??!!!!!!
No i'm not. I hope you have a good reason to ask that.

**Rain Man** · 01-03-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer

What the fuck!!! DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??!!!!!!
No i'm not. I hope you have a good reason to ask that.

He was hoping to take advantage of you while you're vulnerable.

Sybil · 01-03-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

He was hoping to take advantage of you while you're vulnerable.

Funny, but probably not what Surfer needs right now.

First, you have an addiction which you must deal with. Secondly, you need a place to stay and some stability: take your grandparents up on their offer. Thirdly, find a job of some sort. Finally seek some counseling on the other stuff--sounds like you have some, ahem, issues.

Best wishes.

milkman · 01-03-2006, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sybil

Funny, but probably not what Surfer needs right now.

No, it isn't.

What he needs is a to get his ass kicked for being such a ****in reerun.

He doesn't want any help.

He just wants people to empower to be a **** up.

Katipan · 01-03-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Yeah. My basic definition is this.... Are you Brian Johnson? No? You might be a loser.

I'm Brian Johnson

Logical · 01-03-2006, 09:33 PM

Wow your life is so out of control I can offer no advice, I cannot fathom living such a horrible life. Good luck and try not to commit suicide.

dtebbe · 01-03-2006, 09:37 PM

I'm not joking here...

Clean the crap out of your system and go join the military. With your education the Army or Marines would probably bring you in as an E-4, and once you get thru basic you could put in for OCS.

Would get you out of the hell hole you describle, give your some direction in life (albiet forced) and get you on the path to success.

When I was a senior in high school I knew college would be a waste of my time, so I signed up for the Army. Best decision I ever made, and I'd do it again tomorrow if I were 18 and graduating HS.

DT

joesomebody · 01-03-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by badgirl

Thinking this Military thing through I have to say, the military IMO is something that has to be a part of you to go into it and make something of yourself, Just because someone who is a drug addict and needs a life and a kick in the ass wants to get straight isn't any reason for him to join the Military who has someones son, daughter, husband etc depending on him to get his back when he need it. I wouldn't want someone using the Military for rehab to be the one watching my loved ones back when bullets are flying. It has to be IN the person to change and stop looking for things to change it for him. First it was his parents, then grandparents, now the military? Its not the militarys duty to give him a life, if he isn't strong enough to change for himself, why the hell would he change for anything or anybody else? You need to take a real good look at where your life is headed and set your mind to change it. You will end up losing everything because of drugs and you want to blame all your hard times on someone else, blame the drug, its the drugs fault, but drug addicts will never ever blame anything on the drug.

This is exactly right.

Upon joining, you are not going to be able to change your mind... If you do decide to smoke weed again, your ass will be booted out with a dishonorable, which will make your resume even less shiny than the glowing one you are working on now.

It's not fun... sure there are good times, and as hard as you work, you get to make great friends and party hard (no drugs damn you); but for an addict, I think the high stress and work hard, party hard, atmosphere would be very bad for you.

If you don't have any pride in your country and/or willingness to put your life on the line for it, then this is not a good option for you. That pride in what you do is often all that you have to keep you from going crazy.

However, you are at a young enough age that the military could be exactly what you need to get you back on track, not to mention I'm sure your parents and family would be proud of you, no matter how pissed they are now.

But I would not do this just to get off drugs and try to get on your feet. You obviously have no will or desire to serve your country, (which don't give me rep, because I don't consider that a good thing) so I would go with living with your grandparents, and trying to find god to help you get through your problems.

Halfcan · 01-03-2006, 09:38 PM

Get married and have a boatload of kids you can't support, run off and join the circus. Smoke more pot.

Or

You can quit whining and asking advice from strangers to questions you allready know the answers too. Clean yourself up man, your a P I G, pig mister, have some self respect. Your a disgrace to all human beings, wasting your brain cels, your life, and everyone elses time reading your sad story.

Put one problem on the table and deal with it, until it is not a problem. Quit running away and be a man, stand on your own. Don't go running to Gpa and Gma and burden them-they raised their kids. Go out and get a job tommorow for whatever you can get, while designing a resume that will hide the fact your a pot head with no skillz.

You can do it! The world is waiting-your destiny is what you make it-live the dream!!

Logical · 01-03-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe

I'm not joking here...

Clean the crap out of your system and go join the military. With your education the Army or Marines would probably bring you in as an E-4, and once you get thru basic you could put in for OCS.

Would get you out of the hell hole you describle, give your some direction in life (albiet forced) and get you on the path to success.

When I was a senior in high school I knew college would be a waste of my time, so I signed up for the Army. Best decision I ever made, and I'd do it again tomorrow if I were 18 and graduating HS.

DT

Normally I would say this is great advice, but after reading his story all I see that doing is adding a Dishonorable Discharge to his record.

Logical · 01-03-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Can I skip the married w/ kids part and just join the circus and smoke pot?

Hey no witty remarks, you paying attention.

joesomebody · 01-03-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Normally I would say this is great advice, but after reading his story all I see that doing is adding a Dishonorable Discharge to his record.

If he is willing to do what he has to do though, its a great option.

This is one option you don't get to give up on or quit though... If you do it, stick with it for your enlistment, or else it is not a good idea for you.

Mr. Kotter · 01-03-2006, 09:45 PM

Dude,

I've been absorbed in the Football stuff today, but here is my two cents:

1. You need to beat the addiction.
2. Find a place to live, with some sort of support network--good friends or family.
3. Get a job, and set some goals for yourself. The military would be a good option, but only if you can stay away from the weed.
4. Realize this isn't gonna get fixed over-night.
5. Seek some therapy--it's available...for free even, if you know where to look.

Good luck.

Katipan · 01-03-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Can I skip the married w/ kids part and just join the circus and smoke pot?

Chinese acrobats are over rated

joesomebody · 01-03-2006, 09:48 PM

Is pot really "addictive" I always thought it wasn't... sure it was fun, but addictive?

I mean, I can see where one would get used to the feeling and what not, and enjoy the sensation of being high, but I love drinking, yet its just something you look forward to on the weekends.

Maybe if you go get a real job, you'll learn to deal with life and hold off until you get some time off...

I don't see any need to be high (or drunk) all the time.

Katipan · 01-03-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by joesomebody

Is pot really "addictive" I always thought it wasn't... sure it was fun, but addictive?

I mean, I can see where one would get used to the feeling and what not, and enjoy the sensation of being high, but I love drinking, yet its just something you look forward to on the weekends.

If there wasn't always pot here, I'd never smoke.

Katipan · 01-03-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Your body doesn't develop a physical dependance on it like alcohol or cocaine (though, if we continue this discussion long enough, someone will produce documentation to the contrary. There's lots of studies out there slanted to both sides of every argument with pot.), but it can be psychologically addictive much like gambling, the Internet, chocolate, sex, or the murder of vagrants.

Take that back!!!

Don't listen to him, Pot.
He didn't mean it!

Mr. Kotter · 01-03-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by joesomebody

Is pot really "addictive" I always thought it wasn't... sure it was fun, but addictive? ....

Research is somewhat mixed, but it's certainly not physically addictive like, say, heroin.

However, it's clearly psychologically addictive to people like QuickSsurfer here. Some would discount that fact, because not everyone is subject to that....but many are.

In the end, does it really matter whether or not it's physically or mentally addictive--it's still an addiction. I'd be willing to bet it doesn't to QuickSsurfer right now....

Katipan · 01-03-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

I didn't say anything bad about pot.

Beer sucks!!

Mr. Kotter · 01-03-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Your body doesn't develop a physical dependance on it like alcohol or cocaine (though, if we continue this discussion long enough, someone will produce documentation to the contrary. There's lots of studies out there slanted to both sides of every argument with pot.), but it can be psychologically addictive much like gambling, the Internet, chocolate, sex, or the murder of vagrants.

Yup. In the end, for people as addicted as QuickSsurfer says he is....the difference is pretty inconsequential.

Mr. Kotter · 01-03-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mer

Beer sucks!!

You know a chick named Beer?

Cool.

Katipan · 01-03-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Oh, I don't know about all that. Withdrawal from alcohol or coke can be a pretty nasty hellish experience. I'm pretty sure the guys going through detox this 24 hours would gladly change place with the pothead whose only source just got pinched.

I know this guy who lived in this town that would go dry. And one time he was so hard up for pot that he smoked stems and seeds.

I love him.

Mr. Kotter · 01-03-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Oh, I don't know about all that. Withdrawal from alcohol or coke can be a pretty nasty hellish experience. I'm pretty sure the guys going through detox this 24 hours would gladly change place with the pothead whose only source just got pinched.

Oh, I agree with that. In the scheme of things, long-term....it's still pretty inconsequential, IMO.

dtebbe · 01-03-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by joesomebody

If he is willing to do what he has to do though, its a great option.

This is one option you don't get to give up on or quit though... If you do it, stick with it for your enlistment, or else it is not a good idea for you.

I agree, but I think if this guy really wants HELP and not SYMPATHY, he would thrive.

As far as the whole "Don't wan't a druggie in a foxhole with me", I call BS, I went thru basic with some guys that were fresh off the street hardcore gangstas, and after about 4 weeks of getting broke down, they were the best team players in our company... and we NEVER lost any intra-company hand-hand combat drills

They were also the ones with the best looking uniforms and boots day in and day out after about 2 weeks. It was just clear they never had a goal or purpose in thier life until that DI got about 2 feet up thier ass.

DT

joesomebody · 01-03-2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Your body doesn't develop a physical dependance on it like alcohol or cocaine (though, if we continue this discussion long enough, someone will produce documentation to the contrary. There's lots of studies out there slanted to both sides of every argument with pot.), but it can be psychologically addictive much like gambling, the Internet, chocolate, sex, or the murder of vagrants.

Ok I can see that, I never got too into it, so I guess it wasn't a big deal.

I'm a smoker, love to drink, and I can't start my day without coffee.

I'm not faulting him, I have some issues of my own for sure, I just didn't realize that it was a problem for people, just always thought they liked to get high

Mr. Kotter · 01-03-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe

I agree, but I think if this guy really wants HELP and not SYMPATHY, he would thrive.

As far as the whole "Don't wan't a druggie in a foxhole with me", I call BS, I went thru basic with some guys that were fresh off the street hardcore gangstas, and after about 4 weeks of getting broke down, they were the best team players in our company... and we NEVER lost any intra-company hand-hand combat drills

They were also the ones with the best looking uniforms and boots day in and day out after about 2 weeks. It was just clear they never had a goal or purpose in thier life until that DI got about 2 feet up thier ass.

DT

Piss tests these days make that difficult....

dtebbe · 01-03-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joesomebody

Ok I can see that, I never got too into it, so I guess it wasn't a big deal.

I'm a smoker, love to drink, and I can't start my day without coffee.

I'm not faulting him, I have some issues of my own for sure, I just didn't realize that it was a problem for people, just always thought they liked to get high

Get this joe.. you know the little town where I grew up right?

Well at one time...

My mom & step dad owned the liquor store

One of my best friends parents owned the grocery store

another of my best friends parents managed the casey's store

another of my best friends uncle had a whole basement full of pot plants....

Think we were part of the "party" crowd?

Wouldn't do that part any different either!

DT

Oh yea, and another of my friends knew where every unlocked farm fuel tank in the 3 county area was....

dtebbe · 01-03-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Piss tests these days make that difficult....

This was not that long ago, 1988, we did P tests then too. I think I did 4 or 5 while I was in.

DT

joesomebody · 01-03-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe

I agree, but I think if this guy really wants HELP and not SYMPATHY, he would thrive.

As far as the whole "Don't wan't a druggie in a foxhole with me", I call BS, I went thru basic with some guys that were fresh off the street hardcore gangstas, and after about 4 weeks of getting broke down, they were the best team players in our company... and we NEVER lost any intra-company hand-hand combat drills

They were also the ones with the best looking uniforms and boots day in and day out after about 2 weeks. It was just clear they never had a goal or purpose in thier life until that DI got about 2 feet up thier ass.

DT

Absolutely. I never said I didn't want former druggies in the military, I just don't think it's a good idea for someone who has ignored everyone in this thread's advise about quitting drugs by saying they could never kick weed to join up.

I don't know how serious the military was about anti drug rules when you were in, but they truly are one strike and out now.

As an E1-E4 you can expect to be tested about once every 3 months now and it is random, really no way to beat it, no shit drug tested.

Even at E5 and up you are randomly tested, just not as often.

If he can beat the habbit, I'm all for this as his best option.

(I by no means ever said I was drug free before joining.)

Mr. Kotter · 01-03-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe

This was not that long ago, 1988, we did P tests then too. I think I did 4 or 5 while I was in.

DT

I suppose it depends on the branch, and maybe commanders. The units I was in, were pretty tough....I personally signed off on more than 30 discharges for hot piss tests in less than two years.

joesomebody · 01-03-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe

Get this joe.. you know the little town where I grew up right?

Well at one time...

My mom & step dad owned the liquor store

One of my best friends parents owned the grocery store

another of my best friends parents managed the casey's store

another of my best friends uncle had a whole basement full of pot plants....

Think we were part of the "party" crowd

Wouldn't do that part any different either!

DT

I'm sure I partied with with relatives of those people in about the same manner you are speaking. Hell I probably have partied with some of those people you are referring...

I'm no angel and never will be, just don't want him to dig himself into a deeper hole. Relapses aren't all that uncommon on that first trip home after basic...

dtebbe · 01-03-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by joesomebody

I'm sure I partied with with relatives of those people in about the same manner you are speaking. Hell I probably have partied with some of those people you are referring...

I'm no angel and never will be, just don't want him to dig himself into a deeper hole. Relapses aren't all that uncommon on that first trip home after basic...

There was only one thing I was after when I got out of basic...

and it didn't come in a bottle or grow in the ground....

DT

joesomebody · 01-03-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe

There was only one thing I was after when I got out of basic...

and it didn't come in a bottle or grow in the ground....

DT

You didn't get enough in A-school or whatever the hell the army calls it? There's so many 18-22 year old females at tech school its rediculous... most are single, first time away from home, and have just gone through a very long period of no sex... but yeah, that first leave is nice for that too :P

chiefs4me · 01-03-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by joesomebody

Absolutely. I never said I didn't want former druggies in the military, I just don't think it's a good idea for someone who has ignored everyone in this thread's advise about quitting drugs by saying they could never kick weed to join up.

I don't know how serious the military was about anti drug rules when you were in, but they truly are one strike and out now.

As an E1-E4 you can expect to be tested about once every 3 months now and it is random, really no way to beat it, no shit drug tested.

Even at E5 and up you are randomly tested, just not as often.

If he can beat the habbit, I'm all for this as his best option.

(I by no means ever said I was drug free before joining.)

they were drug testing 20 some years agao when I was in, but you could beat it, I was the CO's Sec and knew when the tests were coming down and to whom...

not trying to fight with you...just saying..

joesomebody · 01-03-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefs4me

they were drug testing 20 some years agao when I was in, but you could beat it, I was the CO's Sec and knew when the tests were coming down and to whom...

not trying to fight with you...just saying..

I'm sure it CAN be beat, but it'd be tough.

From the time you are notified you have no more than two hours to report. Once you report you cannot leave the testing facility until you finish the test.

For testing, you have to remove your BDU top, leaving you in a short sleeve t-shirt. You are issued a piss bottle, which you and the tester check to make sure is empty of any foreign substances and then you must hold the bottle over shoulder height while the tester follows you to the bathroom.

You have to piss into the bottle, standing at and angle, so the tester actually watches the piss leave you and enter the bottle.

Then you have to seal the bottle and walk back to the desk where you were issued the bottle, again holding the bottle above your shoulder height in full view of the tester.

I'm not saying it can't be beat, but it would be very tough to beat with any of the common methods that I've heard of. Most things you consume to beat a test take longer than 2 hours, and would probably show up with something funny, and theres no way to slip anything into the urine.

Not a risk anyone should take by any means

Join up, by all means, just quit the weed about a month before basic. I'm in the Air Force, other branches may have a completly different policy for testing, but I know all branches have a zero strike policy when it comes to drugs.

The way the thread poster has repeatedly said he can't or won't quit weed, I'm just not thinking the military is his best option.

chiefs4me · 01-03-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by joesomebody

I'm sure it CAN be beat, but it'd be tough.

From the time you are notified you have no more than two hours to report. Once you report you cannot leave the testing facility until you finish the test.

For testing, you have to remove your BDU top, leaving you in a short sleeve t-shirt. You are issued a piss bottle, which you and the tester check to make sure is empty of any foreign substances and then you must hold the bottle over shoulder height while the tester follows you to the bathroom.

You have to piss into the bottle, standing at and angle, so the tester actually watches the piss leave you and enter the bottle.

Then you have to seal the bottle and walk back to the desk where you were issued the bottle, again holding the bottle above your shoulder height in full view of the tester.

I'm not saying it can't be beat, but it would be very tough to beat with any of the common methods that I've heard of. Most things you consume to beat a test take longer than 2 hours, and would probably show up with something funny, and theres no way to slip anything into the urine.

Not a risk anyone should take by any means

Join up, by all means, just quit the weed about a month before basic. I'm in the Air Force, other branches may have a completly different policy for testing, but I know all branches have a zero strike policy when it comes to drugs.

The way the thread poster has repeatedly said he can't or won't quit weed, I'm just not thinking the military is his best option.

did you see the part where I said I wasn't fighting with you???

joesomebody · 01-03-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefs4me

did you see the part where I said I wasn't fighting with you???

Damn, take away my fun then.

Just kidding, this whole thing started from my saying that its just not a good idea for him to join since he has no want or will to join, and has no want or will to quit smoking pot.

huskerdooz · 01-04-2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by joesomebody

Damn, take away my fun then.

Just kidding, this whole thing started from my saying that its just not a good idea for him to join since he has no want or will to join, and has no want or will to quit smoking pot.

Not only that, but it is very apparent that he has no want or will to really change his situation. Either that or the desire to change isn't strong enough to override the desire to continue with his destructive lifestyle. Ultimately it is up to him to do what is necessary to change his situation.

IMO he came on here looking for an easy solution. One that includes being able to stay in Oxford where he can continue with the same destructive lifestyle that has contributed to his problems. The solution also must include a way to continue smoking pot 4-5 times a day. He also needs to either find a high enough paying job to continue blowing it on his pot yet still have enough to pay his bills and purchase some type of vehiclar transportation. Either that or find a job close enough so that he can walk or ride his bike to and from work. But the important thing is that he absolutely has to remain in contact with the same "friends" that he is close to because they "understand what he's been through and can help provide the destructive vices when his financial situation won't allow him to provide for himself.

Not a problem Surfer, it sounds like you've got it all figured out. Our work is done. Glad we could offer up such poor advice that you could disregard with a such a clear conscience. Or is that a smoke filled conscience? Your story will likely end under some bridge clothed in rags with newspapers lining your coat. Unless of course it ends in some head on crash in which you probably take some innocent child's life because you were so drugged out of your mind that you just couldn't tell that the dashes running down the middle of the road were actually put there so that you could tell which side of the road you were supposed to keep your vehicle on.

Ultra Peanut · 01-04-2006, 07:38 AM

So... how sore is your hand after that masturbatory, damning illation?

**Rain Man** · 01-04-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Your body doesn't develop a physical dependance on it like alcohol or cocaine (though, if we continue this discussion long enough, someone will produce documentation to the contrary. There's lots of studies out there slanted to both sides of every argument with pot.), but it can be psychologically addictive much like gambling, the Internet, chocolate, sex, or the murder of vagrants.

I can't help it. The look in their eyes when you first show them the axe is just priceless.

**CosmicPal** · 01-04-2006, 10:17 AM

Read "A Million Little Pieces" take two aspirins and call me in the morning

Katipan · 01-04-2006, 10:39 AM

Is it noon yet??

patteeu · 01-04-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

He was hoping to take advantage of you while you're vulnerable.

BTW, the friend I described lived in Rolla while I was at UMR and he lived in Austin while I was at UT. He also had dreams of traveling the world. He wasn't a Chiefs fan or a saxaphone player though (at least not the kind of saxaphone you play in band).

**Bwana** · 01-23-2006, 07:37 PM

So, Um, how's this working out?

Katipan · 01-23-2006, 07:42 PM

It took us 2 days to smoke that joint.

01-03-2006, 03:24 AM
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01-03-2006, 05:25 PM	#161
Katipan MER Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $-1029649	NOW this thread is going somewhere! __________________ "Loving him is red."
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01-03-2006, 07:36 PM	#171
Taco John Sapere Aude Join Date: Jun 2001 Casino cash: $427937	I don't think Endelt is much into video games.
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01-03-2006, 07:54 PM	#173
Taco John Sapere Aude Join Date: Jun 2001 Casino cash: $427937	Being a 'loser' is such a subjective thing. Dropping the "you're a loser" judgement doesn't sway anyone towards or away from anything if they don't feel like a loser. It seems like fruitless work to have to first convince someone that they are indeed a loser before you can give them any advice. I don't know if the guy is truly a loser, or just a standard American kid who knows that he needs to make better choices. Certainly, he's making some poor ones, and that's before even factoring in the drugs. Poor choices are compounded when they're combined with drugs, that's for sure. That's definitely the road to loserdom. But a full blown loser, I'm not so sure. The problem with young people today is very few of them know what they want out of life. So rather than sitting down and working to figure it out, they get caught in whatever feels good at the moment and ride that until they start to realize there is more to life than just this. Ultimately, the one constant in this thread that everyone seems to agree on is that "You" are the only one capable of changing anything about your life at all. Sounds like you need to figure out who you are and what you want out of life, and then move from there.
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01-03-2006, 08:42 PM	#180
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-742449 VARSITY	At best, the marijuana is a waste of money that you need for other things right now. And there are a lot of people that you can meet who don't have drug problems. Obviously, you sense that your current situation is not positive or you wouldn't have posted this thread. If you want to improve your lot in life, the best way to do it is to not waste money on vices and to hang out with people who live the life you want to live. It's like the old work adage, "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have." __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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01-03-2006, 09:33 PM	#186
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Wow your life is so out of control I can offer no advice, I cannot fathom living such a horrible life. Good luck and try not to commit suicide.
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01-03-2006, 09:37 PM	#187
dtebbe 3M TA3 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: SoFlo Casino cash: $9993039	I'm not joking here... Clean the crap out of your system and go join the military. With your education the Army or Marines would probably bring you in as an E-4, and once you get thru basic you could put in for OCS. Would get you out of the hell hole you describle, give your some direction in life (albiet forced) and get you on the path to success. When I was a senior in high school I knew college would be a waste of my time, so I signed up for the Army. Best decision I ever made, and I'd do it again tomorrow if I were 18 and graduating HS. DT
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01-03-2006, 09:38 PM	#189
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	Get married and have a boatload of kids you can't support, run off and join the circus. Smoke more pot. Or You can quit whining and asking advice from strangers to questions you allready know the answers too. Clean yourself up man, your a P I G, pig mister, have some self respect. Your a disgrace to all human beings, wasting your brain cels, your life, and everyone elses time reading your sad story. Put one problem on the table and deal with it, until it is not a problem. Quit running away and be a man, stand on your own. Don't go running to Gpa and Gma and burden them-they raised their kids. Go out and get a job tommorow for whatever you can get, while designing a resume that will hide the fact your a pot head with no skillz. You can do it! The world is waiting-your destiny is what you make it-live the dream!!
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01-03-2006, 09:45 PM	#193
Mr. Kotter Self Ban Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: In some's minds... Casino cash: $3194285	Dude, I've been absorbed in the Football stuff today, but here is my two cents: 1. You need to beat the addiction. 2. Find a place to live, with some sort of support network--good friends or family. 3. Get a job, and set some goals for yourself. The military would be a good option, but only if you can stay away from the weed. 4. Realize this isn't gonna get fixed over-night. 5. Seek some therapy--it's available...for free even, if you know where to look. Good luck. __________________ Movin' On...
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01-03-2006, 09:48 PM	#195
joesomebody Waiting to be voted off Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Casino cash: $9994900	Is pot really "addictive" I always thought it wasn't... sure it was fun, but addictive? I mean, I can see where one would get used to the feeling and what not, and enjoy the sensation of being high, but I love drinking, yet its just something you look forward to on the weekends. Maybe if you go get a real job, you'll learn to deal with life and hold off until you get some time off... I don't see any need to be high (or drunk) all the time.
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01-04-2006, 07:38 AM	#219
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01-04-2006, 10:17 AM	#221
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01-23-2006, 07:42 PM	#225
Katipan MER Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $-1029649	It took us 2 days to smoke that joint. __________________ "Loving him is red."
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