Football Fivehead Manning: least clutch QB in NFL history? - Page 4

Hootie · 12-26-2014, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChargers

2006 postseason – Proving that even a blind squirrel can find a nut, Manning throws 3 TDs and 7 INTs in four postseason games, but bumbles his way to his only Super Bowl victory behind Indy's brilliant defensive play (16.3 PPG in postseason). He posts the lowest playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

He was carried, period.

Well, you're just wrong.

I can't imagine a QB down 21-3 against Tom Brady in the AFCCG was carried to the Super Bowl.

And I can't imagine a QB, who dominates the T.O.P. at a clip of 38:04 - 21:56 in the Super Bowl, wins said MVP, and rallies back from down 8 was "carried" to the Super Bowl win playing against a defense SO GOOD they carried Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl.

Anything else, skippy?

Simply Red · 12-26-2014, 06:10 PM

I guess it's too early to ask if Peyton can get ten wins next season - but it'll be interesting to see.

Hootie · 12-26-2014, 06:16 PM

ESPN goes back to 2006 with Total QBR.

Here are Peyton and Tom in every postseason since 2006 with QBR and rankings out of the postseason QB's:

2006:

Peyton 60.6 (1)
Tom 60.2 (2)

2007:

Peyton 77.4 (1)
Tom 61.5 (5)

2008:

Peyton 75.4 (1)
Tom N/A

2009:

Peyton 79.9 (3)
Tom 4.2 (12/last)

2010:

Peyton 74.3 (3)
Tom 8.7 (10)

2011:

Peyton N/A
Tom 74.8 (4)

2012:

Peyton 56.4 (8)
Tom 57.3 (7)

2013:

Peyton 77.4 (2)
Tom 70.0 (6)

Just another stat that clearly shows Peyton Manning is a huge postseason choker and Tom Brady is a clutch postseason magician.

GoChargers · 12-26-2014, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

ESPN goes back to 2006 with Total QBR.

Here are Peyton and Tom in every postseason since 2006 with QBR and rankings out of the postseason QB's:

2006:

Peyton 60.6 (1)
Tom 60.2 (2)

2007:

Peyton 77.4 (1)
Tom 61.5 (5)

2008:

Peyton 75.4 (1)
Tom N/A

2009:

Peyton 79.9 (3)
Tom 4.2 (12/last)

2010:

Peyton 74.3 (3)
Tom 8.7 (10)

2011:

Peyton N/A
Tom 74.8 (4)

2012:

Peyton 56.4 (8)
Tom 57.3 (7)

2013:

Peyton 77.4 (2)
Tom 70.0 (6)

Just another stat that clearly shows Peyton Manning is a huge postseason choker and Tom Brady is a clutch postseason magician.

Another epic fail of an argument. ESPN recalculated that stat years ago to remove the part of the formula that included clutch (high-leverage) situations. So no, that stat by itself doesn't do shit to prove who's more clutch.

Hootie · 12-26-2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChargers

Another epic fail of an argument. ESPN recalculated that stat years ago to remove the part of the formula that included clutch (high-leverage) situations. So no, that stat by itself doesn't do shit to prove who's more clutch.

Wrong.

Read the glossary at the end.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2013/seasontype/3

TOTAL EPA: Total clutch-weighted expected points added.

anything else, junior?

GoChargers · 12-26-2014, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Wrong.

Read the glossary at the end.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2013/seasontype/3

TOTAL EPA: Total clutch-weighted expected points added.

anything else, junior?

"My sense is that Total QBR is underutilized because (1) ESPN haters hate it because it’s an ESPN statistic, (2) it’s proprietary, and (3) analytics types disliked it because of the (now-eliminated) clutch rating."

http://www.footballperspective.com/i...rterback-play/

Hootie · 12-26-2014, 06:20 PM

TD:INT ratio means absolutely nothing, by the way.

Not a thing.

It is totally meaningless how a team scores offensively as long as they are scoring.

Peyton Manning's QBR in that postseason was the same QBR Tom Brady posted in the postseason in 2007 playing with the greatest offense ever (to that point).

Hootie · 12-26-2014, 06:21 PM

Peyton has much better regular season stats, better postseason stats, and has statistically outplayed Brady in every postseason sans 1 since 2006 including being 2-0 in heads up matches yet PEYTON CHOKES and TOM IS CLUTCH

So ridiculous.

GoChargers · 12-26-2014, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Peyton has much better regular season stats, better postseason stats, and has statistically outplayed Brady in every postseason sans 1 since 2006 including being 2-0 in heads up matches yet PEYTON CHOKES and TOM IS CLUTCH

So ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is your obsession with Brady. I don't care who people compare Fivehead to, having that many one-and-dones, that many offensive failures in big games, that many picks and pick-sixes in clutch moments means he's a choker.

Just Passin' By · 12-26-2014, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Peyton has much better regular season stats

No, he doesn't. That's part of what's so amusing about watching you flail about in your attempts to keep Manning's balls clean.

But this thread's about Peyton Manning, and the reality that he gags like a small-mouthed woman doing an oral scene with Lex Steele.

Hootie · 12-26-2014, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

No, he doesn't. That's part of what's so amusing about watching you flail about in your attempts to keep Manning's balls clean.

Please explain how Peyton Manning doesn't have better regular season statistics than Tom Brady. I would love to hear it.

Regular season QBR since established in 2006:

Tom:

62.4
87.1
67.8
66.5
77.0
73
77.7
61.1
75.4

Peyton:

87.2
78.4
79.3
82.8
71.7
82.4
82.9
77.4

And before 2006, it wasn't even god damn close.

So, tl;dr: you're and idiot

Just Passin' By · 12-26-2014, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Please explain how Peyton Manning doesn't have better regular season statistics than Tom Brady. I would love to hear it.

Regular season QBR since established in 2006:

Tom:

62.4
87.1
67.8
66.5
77.0
73
77.7
61.1
75.4

Peyton:

87.2
78.4
79.3
82.8
71.7
82.4
82.9
77.4

And before 2006, it wasn't even god damn close.

So, tl;dr: you're and idiot

Try evening out the playing field, slick. Manning was a dome boy for almost all of his life. Also, stop with the QBR bullshit.

Dome v. Dome
Rest v. Rest

Go for it!

**notorious** · 12-26-2014, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Try evening out the playing field, slick. Manning was a dome boy for almost all of his life.

Dome v. Dome
Rest v. Rest

Go for it!

Yet another fact.

Hootie · 12-26-2014, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Try evening out the playing field, slick. Manning was a dome boy for almost all of his life. Also, stop with the QBR bullshit.

Dome v. Dome
Rest v. Rest

Go for it!

why should I stop with the QBR "bullshit"?

Because it doesn't support this ridiculous notion that Tom Brady = clutch and Peyton Manning = choker?

MagicHef · 12-26-2014, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Try evening out the playing field, slick. Manning was a dome boy for almost all of his life. Also, stop with the QBR bullshit.

Dome v. Dome
Rest v. Rest

Go for it!

Why would you want to point out that Manning is better outside than Brady? That doesn't help your argument.

12-26-2014, 06:10 PM	#2
Simply Red You Sweetie! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021206219 VARSITY	I guess it's too early to ask if Peyton can get ten wins next season - but it'll be interesting to see.
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12-26-2014, 06:16 PM	#3
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	ESPN goes back to 2006 with Total QBR. Here are Peyton and Tom in every postseason since 2006 with QBR and rankings out of the postseason QB's: 2006: Peyton 60.6 (1) Tom 60.2 (2) 2007: Peyton 77.4 (1) Tom 61.5 (5) 2008: Peyton 75.4 (1) Tom N/A 2009: Peyton 79.9 (3) Tom 4.2 (12/last) 2010: Peyton 74.3 (3) Tom 8.7 (10) 2011: Peyton N/A Tom 74.8 (4) 2012: Peyton 56.4 (8) Tom 57.3 (7) 2013: Peyton 77.4 (2) Tom 70.0 (6) Just another stat that clearly shows Peyton Manning is a huge postseason choker and Tom Brady is a clutch postseason magician.
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12-26-2014, 06:20 PM	#7
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	TD:INT ratio means absolutely nothing, by the way. Not a thing. It is totally meaningless how a team scores offensively as long as they are scoring. Peyton Manning's QBR in that postseason was the same QBR Tom Brady posted in the postseason in 2007 playing with the greatest offense ever (to that point).
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12-26-2014, 06:21 PM	#8
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Peyton has much better regular season stats, better postseason stats, and has statistically outplayed Brady in every postseason sans 1 since 2006 including being 2-0 in heads up matches yet PEYTON CHOKES and TOM IS CLUTCH So ridiculous.
Posts: 56,356