2014 NFL Combine - Players - The WRs

[saphojunkie]

Look, there's a blazing fast WR from the state of Kansas named John Brown. How could I NOT want?

[Jakemall]

Beckham, Moncrief and Mathews are my personal draft crushes at WR.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

Beckham, Moncrief and Mathews are my personal draft crushes at WR.

I would like Moncreif if he didn't drop the ball so much and just look plain lazy at times. For a WR of his size, his run blocking leaves something to be desired as he can get pushed around by much smaller corners. Reminds me way too much of Dwayne Bowe.

Matthews is a try-hard with an incredible work ethic and great measurables; I'm just not sure that he has the ability to separate at the NFL level because he struggled with it in college against decent corners. Also, for how big his hands are, he was inconsistent at catching the ball in 2013, just like Moncreif.

Beckham has fringe #1 measurables. Best thing about him is his ability to go up and get the ball and his bigger than normal hands for his size as well as his relatively long arms at 32 3/4". Explosive player with a 38.5" vertical and it's on display in game tape as well so he's not just a workout warrior. He has the catch radius of a much larger WR with the ability of a smaller WR to create separation with his explosion. He does have concentration issues once in a while though and will look to run before securing the catch. Needs to be more consistent in reeling in contested catches as well, his hands are too strong for him to drop as many passes as he does.

This is ridiculous:


And here against my favorite corner in this draft, sorry Verrett, he got you good on this one:



If he were more consistent with everything that he flashes as a WR, Beckham would be in discussions with Watkins as the top WR in this class.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

I would like Moncreif if he didn't drop the ball so much and just look plain lazy at times. For a WR of his size, his run blocking leaves something to be desired as he can get pushed around by much smaller corners. Reminds me way too much of Dwayne Bowe.

Matthews is a try-hard with an incredible work ethic and great measurables; I'm just not sure that he has the ability to separate at the NFL level because he struggled with it in college against decent corners. Also, for how big his hands are, he was inconsistent at catching the ball in 2013, just like Moncreif.

Beckham has fringe #1 measurables. Best thing about him is his ability to go up and get the ball and his bigger than normal hands for his size as well as his relatively long arms at 32 3/4". Explosive player with a 38.5" vertical and it's on display in game tape as well so he's not just a workout warrior. He has the catch radius of a much larger WR with the ability of a smaller WR to create separation with his explosion. He does have concentration issues once in a while though and will look to run before securing the catch. Needs to be more consistent in reeling in contested catches as well, his hands are too strong for him to drop as many passes as he does.

This is ridiculous:


And here against my favorite corner in this draft, sorry Verrett, he got you good on this one:



If he were more consistent with everything that he flashes as a WR, Beckham would be in discussions with Watkins as the top WR in this class.

Re: Moncrief, are we talking about the same guy? He's a great blocker. He also never seems to get caught from behind. He's a vertical threat compared to Bowe's. I think he takes the top off of defenses but will fight for the ball also.

I agree that Matthews is a motor guy...which is what I like about him. He probably learned that from his older cousin. But he's not slow like you're suggesting. 4.46 is a very solid WR speed.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

Re: Moncrief, are we talking about the same guy? He's a great blocker. He also never seems to get caught from behind. He's a vertical threat compared to Bowe's. I think he takes the top off of defenses but will fight for the ball also.

I agree that Matthews is a motor guy...which is what I like about him. He probably learned that from his older cousin. But he's not slow like you're suggesting. 4.46 is a very solid WR speed.

Yes, same Moncrief. To me he looks like he takes plays off.

As far as Matthews goes, he does not look like a 4.46 guy at all; which is why I was surprised when he timed that fast in the 40.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yes, same Moncrief. To me he looks like he takes plays off.

As far as Matthews goes, he does not look like a 4.46 guy at all; which is why I was surprised when he timed that fast in the 40.

I have watched mostly highlights and reviews and not heard (or seen) that on Moncrief. Can you point me to something that demonstratights that?

The highlights I've seen show Mathews has some speed...but he was also hampered with a QB that really didn't have much of an arm. I see him adjusting his routes quite a bit.

[Sorter]

Don't know how you could be upset with Cooks or Beckham.

[Frosty]

Oh, and this is why OldBob doesn't like Cooks:

[OldSchool]

This pretty much sums up Cooks vs Olomu.

[Ragged Robin]

Trade down and pick up Matthews and Abbrederis. 'nuff said

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Trade down and pick up Matthews and Abbrederis. 'nuff said

Problem is, we're kind of in a bad spot unless someone falls to us that another team really really wants. Teams who want to trade up will most likely be shooting for the top 15 or top 20. We're just out of that range. I'm sure that someone is going to want to leapfrog us for a wr/safety if there is a run on them early.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Problem is, we're kind of in a bad spot unless someone falls to us that another team really really wants. Teams who want to trade up will most likely be shooting for the top 15 or top 20. We're just out of that range. I'm sure that someone is going to want to leapfrog us for a wr/safety if there is a run on them early.

This is true..you just have to be ready for both possibilities. Dorsey has said pretty clearly that he'll go BPA regardless of what position. It's a good place to be when you can afford to do that as an organization.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Problem is, we're kind of in a bad spot

I disagree. A lot of trades happen in the area where the chiefs draft because it is more affordable.

Originally Posted by OldSchool

unless someone falls to us that another team really really wants.

that is the case with any trade. no team will waste ammunition to trade up for a player they dont really really want.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Problem is, we're kind of in a bad spot unless someone falls to us that another team really really wants. Teams who want to trade up will most likely be shooting for the top 15 or top 20. We're just out of that range. I'm sure that someone is going to want to leapfrog us for a wr/safety if there is a run on them early.

Unless a team picking early wants to trade back up late in the round to pick up their guy for something like this year's and next year's 2nd or something like that.

Originally Posted by Frosty

Of course, they also have the 6'3" Nelson and 6'1" Jones. Then you look at the WRs that he brought into KC in Avery and Jenkins and now the CFL guy. There doesn't seem to be a pattern with size. He does seem to like speed guys.

Yeah there doesn't seem to be a consistency unless Reid is telling him to pick up smaller speed guys. All the receivers we've picked up other than Hemmingway fit the little dood receiver profile.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Yeah there doesn't seem to be a consistency unless Reid is telling him to pick up smaller speed guys. All the receivers we've picked up other than Hemmingway fit the little dood receiver profile.

Hemingway was a leftover Pioli pick.