Interesting Stats for Brodie's First 3 Starts. - Page 4

Pablo · 12-09-2007, 11:33 PM

This is a re-post from a previous thread..at the request of another poster. Basically Brodie looks pretty damn good in comparison to some other HOF QB's in his first 3 starts.

If Brodie still "sucks" and lacks total pocket awareness by the end of next season I'd be worried.

Right now he is making good reads, doing his best behind this line and distributing the ball mostly accurately and timely.

I suppose if we wanted to look at the first three career stats of some HOF'ers to Brodie's we could do that.

Peyton Manning
62/114 - 54%
683 yards
2 TD's/8 INT's
7 Sacks
0-3 record

John Elway
28/62 - 45%
313 yards
1 TD/3 INT's
10 Sacks
2-1 record

Tom Brady
58/101 - 57%
618 yards
2 TD's/0 INT's
8 Sacks
2-1 record

Brodie Croyle
46/79 - 58%
446 yards
2 TD's/2 INT's
10 Sacks
0-3 record

While most of these stats have nothing to do with pocket presence, it's obviously some of the great QB's didn't develop it within 3 games. And Brodie has put up some reasonable numbers for his first few starts.

lostknight · 12-10-2007, 10:03 AM

Please remember that you are comparing Quarterbacks who entered the league with plays being signaled in, with players who get a nice little voice in their head telling them exactly what to do. Marino and Elway both had more issue with that then anything else.

As Cutler has shown, you really need a full season to see if the hype is worth the digital print costs.

Pablo · 12-10-2007, 10:12 AM

The original post wasn't specifically meant to compare stats to HOF'ers, rather to show that "pocket presence" isn't something all QB's pick up right off the bat.

The sacks were the most important stat to me, I was trying to show Brodie gets sacked just as much in his first three games as some great QB's did.

The other stats and comparisons were just for fun.

Ari ümlaüt · 12-10-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

Just go to nfl.com.

Then search players, and it gives the option for current and historical players. And it pretty much breaks everything down for you if you select a player, then select their game logs and the year you want to research.

very nice, sir.

C-Mac · 12-10-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

It seems like our receivers aren't doing a heck of a lot of that actual receiving thing.

FAX

While I think that the velocity of Brodies passes combined with the cold weather accounted for some of the drops...its no real excuse because TG found a way to make his catches.

KCJohnny · 12-10-2007, 06:56 PM

I heard Neil and Marty on 810 sports today say KC ought to draft Brohm or Ryan #1. They said they are not sold on Croyle. I think Croyle will have a long NFL career here or somewhere else. I just hope its here and with a real grownup running the offense.

CoMoChief · 12-10-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SEKChiefsFan

The other point I haven't seen brought up is that this was Croyle/Bowe's first game in Denver. How do rookies usually fare at that altitude?

It's overrated a lot more than people think.

I can sure as shit tell you altitude has NOT been the reason why the Chiefs have lost in DEN for the past decade.

**HemiEd** · 12-10-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

The losses are hard to live with. So are the sacks.

Otherwise, it's not bad, I guess. I wonder ... are we really lucky enough to have found a franchise-caliber quarterback? Probably not. But if so, are these coaches qualified to bring him along? Probably not. But if so, can we surround him with sufficient talent to make him a winner? Probably not.

So what's the point? Anybody watch any rasslin' lately?

FAX

Pablo · 12-10-2007, 07:14 PM

I'm laughing at the Tyler Thigpen avatar.

**Easy 6** · 12-10-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I heard Neil and Marty on 810 sports today say KC ought to draft Brohm or Ryan #1. They said they are not sold on Croyle. I think Croyle will have a long NFL career here or somewhere else. I just hope its here and with a real grownup running the offense.

Its simply mindboggling how anyone could want to restart a QB controversy after what we've been through the last 2 years...we've seen the numbers & Brodie stacks up just fine, he's trying to steer a car in a tornado & he's just gotten his damn license.

I can only hope that that option isnt even on managements radar.

Pablo · 12-10-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I heard Neil and Marty on 810 sports today say KC ought to draft Brohm or Ryan #1. They said they are not sold on Croyle. I think Croyle will have a long NFL career here or somewhere else. I just hope its here and with a real grownup running the offense.

And they're obviously idiots.

Seriously. If you've watched Brohm or Ryan play, they aren't elite talents. They aren't the kind of QB's you want to build a franchise on, they are better than average, and they damn sure don't look any better than Brodie did coming out of college, injury problems aside.

You put those guys behind this line and they will get injured. They will throw a hellacious amount of INT's and they will get sack/stripped the same way Brodie is.

I can't see how anyone who has covered the Chiefs for more than a couple of seasons couldn't be ecstatic about young blood at the QB position. How can you be sold on any QB after three games? It's impossible.

If Brodie totally bombs next season behind a *better* line and can't make the correct reads, and throws a ton of INT's, I think we draft a QB for competition. That's it. Then we let them duel it out in the 2009 Camp and Preseason.

I'm not sold on Brodie completely..but I'm willing to give the guy a damn chance, especially when he's playing behind 5 Michelin men who couldn't walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. Let him play..speculate all you want through the season next year, and if we have to bring in some competition, so be it.

Ugly Duck · 12-10-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

Brodie looks pretty damn good in comparison to some other HOF QB's in his first 3 starts.

Brobie Coyle looks pretty damn good compared to wimps like Peyton Manning, John Elway, and Tom Brady.

Okay....

FAX · 12-10-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

Brobie Coyle looks pretty damn good compared to wimps like Peyton Manning, John Elway, and Tom Brady.

Okay....

Laugh now, Mr. Ugly Duck. But, if the plan comes to fruition, Brobie will be spanking your asses for the next decade.

You have been warned. Prepare your asses.

FAX

Halfcan · 12-10-2007, 10:00 PM

The only knock I have on Brodie is that he is not much of a leader. He is TOO quiet- he just sits and pouts on the sideline.

Hey dipshit-your team almost went an entire game without a 1st down- but you sit there and grin.

NEXT!!!!!!

FAX · 12-10-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

The only knock I have on Brodie is that he is not much of a leader. He is TOO quiet- he just sits and pouts on the sideline.

Hey dipshit-your team almost went an entire game without a 1st down- but you sit there and grin.

NEXT!!!!!!

That was likely a grimace. His internal organs had be rearranged several times by the 3rd quarter, Mr. Halfcan.

Besides, I think a guy can only bounce so many passes off his receivers' numbers before he says, to hell with it.

FAX

**Easy 6** · 12-10-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

The only knock I have on Brodie is that he is not much of a leader. He is TOO quiet- he just sits and pouts on the sideline.

Hey dipshit-your team almost went an entire game without a 1st down- but you sit there and grin.

NEXT!!!!!!

Yep, lets just run'em through here like temps at a warehouse...who needs consistency right???

No first time starter is going to be vocal & get in vets faces...that kind of respect must be earned.

Also, i didnt see him grin one damn time.

12-09-2007, 11:33 PM
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northland Casino cash: $549356	Interesting Stats for Brodie's First 3 Starts. This is a re-post from a previous thread..at the request of another poster. Basically Brodie looks pretty damn good in comparison to some other HOF QB's in his first 3 starts. If Brodie still "sucks" and lacks total pocket awareness by the end of next season I'd be worried. Right now he is making good reads, doing his best behind this line and distributing the ball mostly accurately and timely. I suppose if we wanted to look at the first three career stats of some HOF'ers to Brodie's we could do that. Peyton Manning 62/114 - 54% 683 yards 2 TD's/8 INT's 7 Sacks 0-3 record John Elway 28/62 - 45% 313 yards 1 TD/3 INT's 10 Sacks 2-1 record Tom Brady 58/101 - 57% 618 yards 2 TD's/0 INT's 8 Sacks 2-1 record Brodie Croyle 46/79 - 58% 446 yards 2 TD's/2 INT's 10 Sacks 0-3 record While most of these stats have nothing to do with pocket presence, it's obviously some of the great QB's didn't develop it within 3 games. And Brodie has put up some reasonable numbers for his first few starts.
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12-10-2007, 10:03 AM	#46
lostknight Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	Please remember that you are comparing Quarterbacks who entered the league with plays being signaled in, with players who get a nice little voice in their head telling them exactly what to do. Marino and Elway both had more issue with that then anything else. As Cutler has shown, you really need a full season to see if the hype is worth the digital print costs.
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12-10-2007, 10:12 AM	#47
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northland Casino cash: $549356	The original post wasn't specifically meant to compare stats to HOF'ers, rather to show that "pocket presence" isn't something all QB's pick up right off the bat. The sacks were the most important stat to me, I was trying to show Brodie gets sacked just as much in his first three games as some great QB's did. The other stats and comparisons were just for fun.
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12-10-2007, 06:56 PM	#50
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	I heard Neil and Marty on 810 sports today say KC ought to draft Brohm or Ryan #1. They said they are not sold on Croyle. I think Croyle will have a long NFL career here or somewhere else. I just hope its here and with a real grownup running the offense. __________________
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12-10-2007, 07:14 PM	#53
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northland Casino cash: $549356	I'm laughing at the Tyler Thigpen avatar.
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12-10-2007, 10:00 PM	#58
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	The only knock I have on Brodie is that he is not much of a leader. He is TOO quiet- he just sits and pouts on the sideline. Hey dipshit-your team almost went an entire game without a 1st down- but you sit there and grin. NEXT!!!!!!
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