Opinion update at the bye week... - Page 4

Gaz · 10-08-2004, 12:48 PM

Okay, we have that critical first win under our belt.

The Defense continues to improve and held Lewis to 73 yards on his home field.

The Offense showed that diverse attack that tore up the NFL last season.

The Special Teams…well, I’ll have to get back to you on that…

What is the current weakest point on the team. And, has this changed since pre-season?

xoxo~
Gaz
Aware of his critical need shifting from WR to LB to ST coverage.

Hammock Parties · 10-08-2004, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Fair enough...I think that had Lewis received 10 more carries he may have lit us up for another 74, judging by what our run has shown late in games when backs get 20+ carries.

It's all speculation, by both of us.

I don't expect our D to play well when they are on the field for extended periods of time. I have no delusions of this offense being anything close to the 85 Bears.

The offense has to do it's job by putting up 25+ points and holding the ball for around 30 mins.

Tinlar · 10-08-2004, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JBret

He had plenty of opportunities in the first half. He did nothing.

Basically our D shut down the Baltimore run game apart from one drive and one carry. That's damn good run D.

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Hammock Parties · 10-08-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

CAN

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GAME!!!

They aren't perfect. I'm not ignoring that one drive or one carry. Even with those other carries we still did a good job.

Coogs · 10-09-2004, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

Cut out their drive that was killed at the half and it looks like this...

1: 36 yards - Field goal
2: 0 yards - Punt
3: 5 yards - Punt
4: 57 yards - Touchdown
5: 8 yards - Punt
6: 21 yards - Punt

Compared to our first 6 drives ...

1: 60yards - Touchdown
2: 53yards - Field goal
3: 3yards - Punt
4: 78yards - Touchdown
5: 9yards - Punt
6: 7yards - Punt

We are claiming our Offense and Defense dominated them but in that comparison we only kill one drive more than they did. My, point? That the above stats do not tell the tale of this game. We _DID_ dominate this game and that stat that shows it is ToP. The credit for that stat belongs to the offense and the shoulders & legs of Priest.

You left out the number of plays on the drives. You bet the offense gets some of the share for the ToP numbers. But when you have that huge of a gap in the numbers, the defense has to be involved as well. And they were. 3 plays, 3 plays, 1 play, 3 plays, and 5 plays is pretty efficiant work by the defense, IMO.

I'm not discounting the offense at all. I thought AS called a brilliant game. I just think the defensive performance was equally impressive. Just as the offense was keeping the defense off of the field, the defense was putting the offense right back out there. That is what some of us have been waiting to see for a long time.

I'm well aware most are going to wait to jump on the bandwagon for at least 3 more games. It is going to boil down to how we do against Vick and his Falcons, and Manning and his Colts.

In the mean time, I am going to enjoy the progress I have seen from the defense over the past two or three weeks.

Gaz · 10-09-2004, 09:40 AM

No doubt the D is better when the O shows up. See the Carolina and Houston games for what happens when the Offense takes a vacation.

However, the Chiefs Offense did not hold Lewis to 73 yards. That was all Defense, baby. The Offense helped by not hanging the D out to dry [see aforementioned Carolina and Houston games], which is how this team is supposed to work.

xoxo~
Gaz
Watching a plan come together.

Gaz · 10-09-2004, 10:09 AM

And by the same criteria, the Defense deserves additional props for overcoming the crappy field position our ST coverage teams gave to the Ravens.

xoxo~
Gaz
Being fair all around.

go bo · 10-09-2004, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

No doubt the D is better when the O shows up. See the Carolina and Houston games for what happens when the Offense takes a vacation.

However, the Chiefs Offense did not hold Lewis to 73 yards. That was all Defense, baby. The Offense helped by not hanging the D out to dry [see aforementioned Carolina and Houston games], which is how this team is supposed to work.

xoxo~
Gaz
Watching a plan come together.

yep, that's the ticket all right...

we can forgive the d for allowing a long drive or two and even for allowing a couple of touchdowns - so long as the o scores like they did last year (or somewhere close to it)...

of course, it would also help if we didn't give up a td to the enemy's special teams...

and having trent NOT throw td's to the other team's defense helps quite a lot too...

go bo · 10-09-2004, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

And by the same criteria, the Defense deserves additional props for overcoming the crappy field position our ST coverage teams gave to the Ravens.

xoxo~
Gaz
Being fair all around.

as usual...

bricks · 10-09-2004, 10:55 AM

I'm definately gonna say our special teams coverage units needs work. And a lot of it. Punting is a weakness, imo, if we decide to keep Baker around. If Cheek comes back we'll probably be alright. I think our kickoff's are a little inconsistent, they have to be a bit better. I'm still holding the defense accountable. There slowly getting better with time, and looks like a work in progress. I still think we have to improve our run defense, and our 3rd down defense. Sorry, I'll be a little more specific, the 3rd and long defense is hurting us right now, and we have to improve upon it. Another thing I'd like to see us do, is, apply a better pass rush, we're not applying enough of a pass rush. Holliday is not getting it done, Browning, is not much of a pass rusher, Hicks has to step up. I'd like to see more and more of Jared Allen, and Gary Stills on 3rd down defense, those guys are quick around the edge and have the ability to get to the QB better than anyone else we have on defense.

I'm not worried about our offense. Priest is Priest. we all know that. Our O-line is one of the best in the league. Trent is coming on. Tony G is Tony G. I was concerned about our WR's, but, I don't think we'll be that bad. Morton has impressed me of late, and Chris Horn is really suprising. Hall is Hall. And once we get Kennison and Wilson back I think this area will be real strong. I'm definately concerned about our team discipline, too many penalties, cut back on the penalties we'll be ok.

View Poll Results: What is the Chiefs’ weakest point right now?
Offense – WR	5	8.06%
Offense – OL	0	0%
Offense - penalties	6	9.68%
Special Teams – coverage team	37	59.68%
Special Teams – return team	0	0%
Special Teams – penalties	0	0%
Defense – LB	7	11.29%
Defense – CB	3	4.84%
Defense – penalties	0	0%
Coaching	2	3.23%
Bite me, Gaz, we are ALL weakness	0	0%
Bite me, Gaz, we have NO weakness	2	3.23%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

10-08-2004, 12:48 PM
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Opinion update at the bye week... Okay, we have that critical first win under our belt. The Defense continues to improve and held Lewis to 73 yards on his home field. The Offense showed that diverse attack that tore up the NFL last season. The Special Teams…well, I’ll have to get back to you on that… What is the current weakest point on the team. And, has this changed since pre-season? xoxo~ Gaz Aware of his critical need shifting from WR to LB to ST coverage.
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10-09-2004, 09:40 AM	#50
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Let us give some credit to the O for stepping up, too... No doubt the D is better when the O shows up. See the Carolina and Houston games for what happens when the Offense takes a vacation. However, the Chiefs Offense did not hold Lewis to 73 yards. That was all Defense, baby. The Offense helped by not hanging the D out to dry [see aforementioned Carolina and Houston games], which is how this team is supposed to work. xoxo~ Gaz Watching a plan come together.
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10-09-2004, 10:09 AM	#51
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	An additional load to carry... And by the same criteria, the Defense deserves additional props for overcoming the crappy field position our ST coverage teams gave to the Ravens. xoxo~ Gaz Being fair all around.
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10-09-2004, 10:55 AM	#54
bricks Hey Teacher! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: land of maple syrup Casino cash: $9722559	I'm definately gonna say our special teams coverage units needs work. And a lot of it. Punting is a weakness, imo, if we decide to keep Baker around. If Cheek comes back we'll probably be alright. I think our kickoff's are a little inconsistent, they have to be a bit better. I'm still holding the defense accountable. There slowly getting better with time, and looks like a work in progress. I still think we have to improve our run defense, and our 3rd down defense. Sorry, I'll be a little more specific, the 3rd and long defense is hurting us right now, and we have to improve upon it. Another thing I'd like to see us do, is, apply a better pass rush, we're not applying enough of a pass rush. Holliday is not getting it done, Browning, is not much of a pass rusher, Hicks has to step up. I'd like to see more and more of Jared Allen, and Gary Stills on 3rd down defense, those guys are quick around the edge and have the ability to get to the QB better than anyone else we have on defense. I'm not worried about our offense. Priest is Priest. we all know that. Our O-line is one of the best in the league. Trent is coming on. Tony G is Tony G. I was concerned about our WR's, but, I don't think we'll be that bad. Morton has impressed me of late, and Chris Horn is really suprising. Hall is Hall. And once we get Kennison and Wilson back I think this area will be real strong. I'm definately concerned about our team discipline, too many penalties, cut back on the penalties we'll be ok.
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