The Hemp Thread.

[teedubya]

It is amazing what this plant can do. Im a Christian at heart, and believe that God gave us this bad ass plant to help us out.

* the first Bibles were printed on hemp paper
* the first US flag was made out of hemp
* the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence were printed on hemp paper.
* an acre of hemp produces more than 4 times the amount of paper than an acre of trees, and it grows back in less than a year
* Henry Ford made a hemp-mobile
* "Marijuana" is just the Hispanic name for hemp, they are the exact same plant. (The name, "marijuana", was used by law enforcement and the media for this "Mexican killer weed" to taboo and sensationalize it in concerned American's minds.)
* Birds live 20% longer when hemp seed is a part of their diet
* Hemp seed oil has been used (and should be used) in everything from engine oil and paint, to cosmetics and foods for man and beast alike
* In the 1600s, there were places in the US where growing hemp was enforced by law
* You could pay your taxes with hemp for 200 years during the 1700s in the US
* Hemp seeds have been a staple and a life-saver during many famines and food shortages throughout history (over 60% of Third World children are dying everyday because of protein starvation , but Mr. Government says they can't grow it - it's against the law!)
* There are receptors in the brain which science has found will bind with THC compounds alone, and no other
* The depletion of the ozone layer threatens to reduce soy crops by up to 50%, but hemp is immune to the damages of ultraviolet light (it actually makes it produce more of the resin that contains the THC)
* Hemp is a more prolific producer of ethanol than corn
* Hemp requires little to no industry, it grows in the ground (cleaning the soil of toxins), then is cut, dried, and utilized... (Does it make any sense that the government doesn't jump on this, legalize it and tax the pants off of it instead of increasing everyone’s already-insane taxes to reduce the country's deficit?? Tax pot!)
* Buddha lived on ONE hemp seed a day for over 5 years.
* And apparently if you set it on fire and inhale the smoke of it, it gives you a euphoric feeling.

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every green herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
-Genesis 1:29 -

"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes."
-Abe Lincoln, 1840

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

You're just being silly.

If it's illegal to grow a crop, of course it's not going to be profitable to use it for industry.

Do you have any understanding of "capitalism?" Seriously?

IF, it were profitable...it would be "legal;" period, end of sentence. THAT'S what capitalism is all about; I don't CARE how long ago some timber companies pressured Congress (BTW, FWIW...it WAS 100 yrs ago.) You don't think we'd have legalized it by NOW, IF it were profitable...****a, pleeze!!!

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by BrainCase

SD, do you have any idea how easy it is to grow hemp? It grows in the ditches, it grows where you plant it, it grows all over the place in the wild.

The reason hemp is illegal is due to the fact that is was TOO ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. William Randolph Hearst owned huge surplus' of white pine forests in the early part of the 20th century. About that time, machinery was invented that could easily strip hemp for the manufacture of paper, and that would endanger Hearsts near monopoly on wood pulp and the manufacture of newsprint. Hearst created "Reefer Madness" and bought politicians to make it illegal and secure his paper fortune.

As far as making it available, there was a suspension of hemp's illegal nature during WWII, when hemp seed oil, hemp rope and other usable items were manufactured in force. George Bush's life was saved by hemp - his airplane used hemp seed oil as a lubricant, and in that famous shot of him crash landing on an aircraft carrier - those ropes he hooked were made of hemp.

And don't forget that both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew hemp...

Consider yourself pwned.

Consider myself pwed? A bit arrogant, and condescending, eh? How about reasonable people may disagree????

So, seriously....do you only read "High Times" and the "Grass Roots" Newsletter?

You are gonna blame capitalism turning a blind eye to the economic viability of "hemp" due to the activities of some dude 100 yrs ago. ****a, pleeze!!!

So the fact that it HAS been used, historically, irrespective of it's "cost effectiveness" or "efficiency" has NOTHING to do with the fact that it remains economically, "unviable?" You need to read, Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations...

Capitalism, free enterprise, the free market??? I'd recommend ....Econ 101, man.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

What a total load of crap. I've NEVER seen pot addiction used as an excuse to outlaw it. Why? Because it is NOT addictive. I started smoking it in '68 and have done it on a daily basis for years and have done totally without it for several years. I challenge you to come up with ANY proof it is addictive.

Okay, Jerry Garcia...if you wanna toke; fine. No prob.

For some folks, 20% of the public....perhaps, you are one of them, it isn't "physically addicting." However, for the vast majority, it IS at a minimum "psychologically addicting," so for purposes of reality, do you REALLY wanna draw a distinction?

Consider yourself lucky; consider yourself a "privileged" minority. You wanna make social policies based on anecdotal experience? Understandable, but is it wise?

PROOF....you believe what you wanna believe, Jerry. No matter what links and research I pull up, you are gonna pounce on it.

Live Free, my friend. Don't expect the rest of America to thrilled about subsidizing the addiction of your buddies.....and "Dead heads." Fair???

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

Here is the thing Anton... if you want to smoke weed, you will find a source for accrual of said vice. If you are a heroin addict, you will find some. If you are a teenager, and are curious about it, you will run into someone that has some. Intentions are intentions... they will be doing whatever, regardless.

However, Im not talking about legalization, cuz I could care less. Cuz if I want it, I can find it. Im talking about the global good of this plant . If it didnt have a bud at the top of it, then this plant would be viewed in a whole new light.

If you are worried about welfare society and funding the poor and are against programs like that... no prob. But if hemp was legal, the plant could be used to feed people and cost relatively nothing.

It infuriates me, that when I pack my groceries my choices are in "Paper" [made from 90% virgin wood, or "Plastic" [made from oil and other irreplaceable fossil fuels]. Well Hemp can make both of those.

An acre of hemp can produce as much paper as 4 acres of trees. It takes 20 years to harvest that acre of trees, and 6 months to harvest that acre of hemp.

There is more to the story then just the drug aspect... Im more than certain that it has more to do with all the large corporations that would stand to lose cash if hemp was allowed to prosper. Other industries would become very successful... so until the powers that be can manipulate it so that they can cash in on the hemp revolution, it aint gonna happen. But it certainly should.

It only makes sense.

Hey, man. Reasonable people may disagree without being enemies.

Listen, dude; if you embrace civil disobediance, and are willin' to suffer the consequences of "dissin' da man," fine man. I applaud you. Seriously. Just don't whine if you are arrested, and have to serve time, understand?

So, we ought to nix whatever laws people ignore, eh? Who gets to decide where THAT line is drawn? You, me, or John Ascroft?

Feeding people with hemp? An alternative to other products? Possibly. But as I've suggested with others, you really don't understand capitalism if you think a dude 100 years ago is STILL preventing a viable market alternative. Bottom line, is IF it were a viable alternative, IT WOULD BE EMBRACED. PERIOD. It's not, so pot-heads continue to "whine" about how unfair the laws are, and how unfair life is.

Large corporations, blah, blah, blah. I swear, IF it were a cost effective and efficient alternative....it would have been embraced years ago. It still may be; just not yet. Who knows, though?

I still contend the push for "hemp" is nothing more than a thinly veiled screen to attempt a back door legalization of the "bud."

And most of us are onto ya, dude. Get over it....

[Ultra Peanut]

it IS at a minimum "psychologically addicting,"

So are pornos and video games. Wanna ban those, too?

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Psicosis

So are pornos and video games. Wanna ban those, too?

Prove similar socio-economic cost, and maybe we'll talk; I doubt you'll prove that though...

[Earthling]

I remember watching a film in the Navy (1968 or so) and the jist of the film was that if you smoked pot you could easily end up raping someone because you lost all of your inhibitions and morals...Pure bunk. I've never really trusted what the Feds have to say on the matter every since they lied to me in that film. I know what I have seen first hand and I don't know a single person who ever got addicted to pot. The worst part about pot is that it is illegal. Alchohal used to be too though. I see little difference in the two.

[Boyceofsummer]

Originally Posted by SDChiefsfan

Do you have any understanding of "capitalism?" Seriously?

IF, it were profitable...it would be "legal;" period, end of sentence. THAT'S what capitalism is all about; I don't CARE how long ago some timber companies pressured Congress (BTW, FWIW...it WAS 100 yrs ago.) You don't think we'd have legalized it by NOW, IF it were profitable...****a, pleeze!!!

The last clown with a badass attitude like this was treated to a killer Colombian clandestinely spiked pizza. Boy, was he pissed. The next day.

[Hammock Parties]

This is all very interesting. Of course I've never done drugs. Took a drag on a cigarette once.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by UserName

This is all very interesting. Of course I've never done drugs. Took a drag on a cigarette once.

Sorry to break it to you.

That was a man pipe.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by ZachKC

Sorry to break it to you.

That was a man pipe.

No way....Brad handed me something long, white and skinny. I sucked on it and coughed.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by SDChiefsfan

Prove similar socio-economic cost, and maybe we'll talk; I doubt you'll prove that though...

Obesity and diabetes for video games and television....and I'd bet wankin it so much is why people need enzyte

[Braincase]

Originally Posted by SDChiefsfan

Consider myself pwed? A bit arrogant, and condescending, eh? How about reasonable people may disagree????

So, seriously....do you only read "High Times" and the "Grass Roots" Newsletter?

You are gonna blame capitalism turning a blind eye to the economic viability of "hemp" due to the activities of some dude 100 yrs ago. ****a, pleeze!!!

So the fact that it HAS been used, historically, irrespective of it's "cost effectiveness" or "efficiency" has NOTHING to do with the fact that it remains economically, "unviable?" You need to read, Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations...

Capitalism, free enterprise, the free market??? I'd recommend ....Econ 101, man.

Facts are facts. Love how you refuted my points one-by-one. You can disagree with the reasoning, but it doesn't change facts.

1. I've never purchased or subscribed to High Times or the Grass Roots newsletter. My information came from "Uncle John's Bathroom Reader".

2. I have read Adam Smith, and several other books by famous economists, including Keynes, Locke and Mill. I've also got about 16 hours worth of Econ on my college transcript. Who's condescending now?

3. When you've run a successful business and pulled 6 figure incomes for more than 5 consecutive years, lecture me about business. Until then, thanks for teaching our kids.

One other point I would like to make. I don't let my children around people that use the "n" word, due it's use as a racist epithet. I don't socialize with people who do. My advice to you is find away to remove it from your vocabulary.

[Abba-Dabba]

Originally Posted by SDChiefsfan

Do you have any understanding of "capitalism?" Seriously?

IF, it were profitable...it would be "legal;" period, end of sentence. THAT'S what capitalism is all about; I don't CARE how long ago some timber companies pressured Congress (BTW, FWIW...it WAS 100 yrs ago.) You don't think we'd have legalized it by NOW, IF it were profitable...****a, pleeze!!!

It's not that it isn't profitable, it is profitable, even profitble to drug dealers on a black market where there isn't a standard price. It's that too many people can grow it for themselves. Thus evading federal taxes. Marijuana as a crop is completely different than tobacco. You can't even compare the 2. You can grow few months supply in a closet, you can even clone it and have the same plant growing for years. So while tobacco needs to be planted in harvested and planted yearly in vast fields to be economically viable, marijuana does not. How would the govt. stop 5 million people growing a higher grade of marijuana in their closets? How would they tax it if they didn't know about it? I am of the firm belief that the only reason that it will remain illegal is that the govt. can't figure out to tax it like they do tobacco and alcohol. It's really sad that our moral decisions made by our govt. depend on how much taxes they could suck out of us and it.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by SDChiefsfan

Okay, Jerry Garcia...if you wanna toke; fine. No prob.

For some folks, 20% of the public....perhaps, you are one of them, it isn't "physically addicting." However, for the vast majority, it IS at a minimum "psychologically addicting," so for purposes of reality, do you REALLY wanna draw a distinction?

Consider yourself lucky; consider yourself a "privileged" minority. You wanna make social policies based on anecdotal experience? Understandable, but is it wise?

PROOF....you believe what you wanna believe, Jerry. No matter what links and research I pull up, you are gonna pounce on it.

Live Free, my friend. Don't expect the rest of America to thrilled about subsidizing the addiction of your buddies.....and "Dead heads." Fair???

Nice reply. Typical of a cop spouting BS to back up their position. You won't prove pot is addictive because you can't because it isn't.