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Old 12-19-2005, 05:44 PM  
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Do you want Gunther retained as defensive coordinator?
I have seen both opinions on this issue lately. Myself and a few others have thrown Gunther from the train.

What say you?
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:28 PM   #46
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Yes, I think the absence of a legitimate pass rush really hurts the D, especially the secondary. No one can cover a receiver or TE for 8-10 seconds like the Chiefs secondary and LB's have had to do. Get a few good D linemen and we will see this D finally come together.
it hasn't been the abscence of a pass rush. any smart qb in the nfl would have his wr running posts, ins and outs, our cb take away a deep threat, but by lining up with no less than a 7 yard cushion, at times its as much as 12 yds, we allow any qb with decent accuracy pick us apart. i hear it all about how the d backs can't cover for 8 seconds, well the dline can't make it to the qb in 3 seconds either. man up, and play some bump and run!!!
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:32 PM   #47
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Wow a split voting poll.

I voted no, because Gun was given the talent he wanted but KC ended up with the same mirror results of last season.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:38 PM   #48
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Get a new head coach (preferrably a Tony Dungy or John Gruden type) with a new attitude and give Gunther one more year. See if it works. I remember Gunther's defense in the 90s.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:47 PM   #49
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As for Gun, I do find it odd that 2 weeks ago, there were a lot of people saying that they wanted a new HC but wanted Gun to stay. One bad game, actually one bad half, and everyone wants him canned.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:47 PM   #50
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How much of that is Al and how much of it is DV though? DV had a lot to do with this O.
It's a combination of both I think... DV tries to surround himself with good people, DV knew Al was a good offensive mind. Everywhere Al has gone they've had success offensively. Ever since he's come here we've been the best offense in the league... he was an assistant for the best two years the Rams had really... he was part of the high flying Chargers in the 80's, and before that he was an offensive coordinator for Cal when they set a bunch of records. People really should go read his resume... the more I read it the more I think we should give him a shot. I really want to get a coordinator who has had a lot of success, and we sit here and throw out all these names from other teams and we all forget we've got one of the best coordinators in the league on our own team.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:54 PM   #51
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It's a combination of both I think... DV tries to surround himself with good people, DV knew Al was a good offensive mind. Everywhere Al has gone they've had success offensively. Ever since he's come here we've been the best offense in the league... he was an assistant for the best two years the Rams had really... he was part of the high flying Chargers in the 80's, and before that he was an offensive coordinator for Cal when they set a bunch of records. People really should go read his resume... the more I read it the more I think we should give him a shot. I really want to get a coordinator who has had a lot of success, and we sit here and throw out all these names from other teams and we all forget we've got one of the best coordinators in the league on our own team.
I wonder why Peterson hasn't given him any kind of endorsement. I know Vermeil's master plan is to have Saunders take over, but Carl probably has plans of his own.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:54 PM   #52
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Teams don't run on us because it is not necessary. With our CB's playing 10 yds off the WR's why not just take the 8 easy yards? Offenses take what the D's give them. And Gun was only good while Marty was here. And everybody in the NFL knows it. I mean EVERYBODY. Nobody else would hire him as a DC. Even Marty wouldn't re-hire him.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:59 PM   #53
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You let the head coach pick his assistants. See ya Gun.
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I wonder why Peterson hasn't given him any kind of endorsement. I know Vermeil's master plan is to have Saunders take over, but Carl probably has plans of his own.
I have zero confidence that Carl will even consider Saunders. None. He should at least be in the running, if somebody else is better than so be it, but Al should be considered, and he won't be. Then we can watch him go elsewhere and probably become a successful head coach. If he did, I would go beserk.
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Old 12-19-2005, 09:10 PM   #55
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I dont see why Gunther needs to go. He has made this defense respectable against the run. We just need a few more playmaker DL or CBs. This defense will be better next season. You can't just change the face of an entire lousy defense with a switch of a button. I think he needs to stay. Get him his crew to work with.
Gun gave Carl a shopping list, which included Bell and Surtain.

He didn't include a DL, because he thought that we had the talent here already.

And that is a big part of Gun's problem.

He is a bad talent evaluator.

Hell, he even missed on Bell, because he thought he could be an impact player at a position that Bell isn't suited to play.

I agree with Skip.
Marty was more responsible for the Chiefs defensive success in the 90s than Gun.

Hell the defense played pretty damn well with Dave Freakin' Adolf as DC.
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Old 12-19-2005, 09:28 PM   #56
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Gun gave Carl a shopping list, which included Bell and Surtain.

He didn't include a DL, because he thought that we had the talent here already.

And that is a big part of Gun's problem.

He is a bad talent evaluator.

Hell, he even missed on Bell, because he thought he could be an impact player at a position that Bell isn't suited to play.

I agree with Skip.
Marty was more responsible for the Chiefs defensive success in the 90s than Gun.

Hell the defense played pretty damn well with Dave Freakin' Adolf as DC.
Thank you Mr. Winder. Defensive success just follows Marty around. He shut the Colts out in the first half yesterday AT Indy. If it weren't for Brees brain farts he might have totally shut them out. Maybe we should look for a coach like that. A great defensive coach that has done it over and over at different places. Does Gregg Williams fit that description? I don't know, I haven't followed his career. If not, how about a college coach that fits that profile.
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As for Gun, I do find it odd that 2 weeks ago, there were a lot of people saying that they wanted a new HC but wanted Gun to stay. One bad game, actually one bad half, and everyone wants him canned.
I was in Gunther's camp before the Denver game.

We were ranked 23rd and appeared to be improving week by week.

Then Denver scorched us, and the last two weeks were just plain awful.

The "improvement" was a mirage brought about by playing weak competition.
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Old 12-19-2005, 09:34 PM   #58
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Chiefs need some defensive line help if this defense is going to get any better. Have you seen the Bears this year? They rush four guys and get to the QB or at the very least collapse the pocket and get serious pressure on the QB. Even Jared Allen has been a liability on the line with his failure to stay home to stop the reverse and counter plays. Not saying Jared Allen needs to go, but he needs to improve in those areas. As for the rest of the defensive line, they just suck period and are all expendable IMO. I think with a couple of good defensive linemen Gunther's defense would be pretty good. They could use a good cover safey to replace Wesley and a decent LB to replace Bell since he obviously has lost something.
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And that is a big part of Gun's problem.

He is a bad talent evaluator.
No kidding. Remember Dishrag, Lew Bush and all the shitty RBs when he was head coach?
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Thank you Mr. Winder. Defensive success just follows Marty around. He shut the Colts out in the first half yesterday AT Indy. If it weren't for Brees brain farts he might have totally shut them out. Maybe we should look for a coach like that. A great defensive coach that has done it over and over at different places. Does Gregg Williams fit that description? I don't know, I haven't followed his career. If not, how about a college coach that fits that profile.
He has a pretty impressive defensive resume.

http://www.redskins.com/team/cprofile.jsp?id=47

Some question his ability to be a HC, and he earned that doubt in Buffalo.

But it is also possible that he gained something from that experience, and won't repeat the same mistakes, and that he's also learned something from Joe Gibbs.
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