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**Tribal Warfare** · 01-29-2006, 09:05 AM

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Penn State defensive end Tamba Hali showed an explosive first step during the times we watched him practice in Mobile and he continued doing that in the game, recording 2 sacks and winning the defensive MVP for the North squad yesterday.....The Kansas City Chiefs were among the teams paying the most attention to Hali during the week of practice.

dj56dt58 · 02-02-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

We don;t need a DE. We have Hicks.

I know your trying to be a smartass..and i can see why, but the fact is your right. Hicks is good enough for now. He's a decent run stopper and a decent leader. We have Allen as our pass rushing DE. We need to go after DTs..

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-03-2006, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Hali is not Freeney. He's nothing like Freeney. There's a size differential, they play on opposite ends, and the way they play the position is completely different. Freeney gets by on speed and moves. Hali gets pressure with his strength. Freeney's much better rushing the pasher than playing the run. Hali's fairly balanced, but lacks any pass rush moves.

I can't even think of a comparison I'd make between the two. They're quite different.

What I saw on the Senior Bowl, Hali and Tapp did a damn good impression

HolmeZz · 02-03-2006, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

What I saw on the Senior Bowl, Hali and Tapp did a damn good impression

At applying pressure, yes. They're different players all together though. Tapp's more Freeney, especially in size, but still uses his strength more than speed.

The closest thing to Freeney in this draft is Dumervil, but he's very poor man's Freeney at best.

htismaqe · 02-03-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

At applying pressure, yes. They're different players all together though. Tapp's more Freeney, especially in size, but still uses his strength more than speed.

The closest thing to Freeney in this draft is Dumervil, but he's very poor man's Freeney at best.

Freeney relies far more on strength and leverage than "moves".

I've heard both himself and several of the tackles he's faced say it first-hand.

Chiefnj · 02-03-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Hali is not Freeney. He's nothing like Freeney. There's a size differential, they play on opposite ends, and the way they play the position is completely different. Freeney gets by on speed and moves. Hali gets pressure with his strength. Freeney's much better rushing the pasher than playing the run. Hali's fairly balanced, but lacks any pass rush moves.

I can't even think of a comparison I'd make between the two. They're quite different.

Seems like your quoting football's future scouting report.

From watching Tamba (and I'm going to give myself a pat on the back as being the first planeteer to point this kid out back in October) he does have pass rush moves. He's got a pretty good first step and is football quick. He might not run the best 40 time, but he's quick on the field. To say he overpowers his opposition is a bit of a stretch. He doesn't have ideal size for a DE. He's not Williams. In fact, he's kind of small (6-2 and 265). I'm not sure he was really overpowering OT's who outweighed him by 40-40 lbs every week. He certainly out hustled and out played them and didn't take any plays off, but I wouldn't say he was necessarily stronger physically.

HolmeZz · 02-03-2006, 12:12 PM

No, it seems like I actually watch football. There are plenty of scouts with the same feeling. It's not a knock, it's just saying that's not how Hali gets to the quarterback.

"Freeney relies far more on strength and leverage than "moves".

Under normal circumstances, usually not. More often than not he'll do that little spin move, sometimes more than once, to beat the tackle. If nothing else, it'll tire them out. THAT is a pass rush move. Hali's pass rushing skills are created by his strength. Freeney's rely on his speed.

And when I say strength, I'm not talking about Hali throwing tackles to the ground. I mean he's strong. He can create creases to rush because of that. His strength is also nice because he doesn't get pushed around a lot.

penchief · 02-03-2006, 01:59 PM

Hali may not have great speed or size but here is where I have to agree with everyone and at the same disagree with everyone......

He relies on three things and does all equally well; quickness, moves, and strength. He is not outstanding in any category but from what I have seen he always finds a way to put the other guy at a disadvantage; either by beating him off the line of scrimmage or putting a move on him that leaves him a little off balance then finishing the play with his quickness or his strength.

All I know is that he has a knack for getting to the ball and making plays. I want him if we can get him.

htismaqe · 02-03-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

No, it seems like I actually watch football. There are plenty of scouts with the same feeling. It's not a knock, it's just saying that's not how Hali gets to the quarterback.

"Freeney relies far more on strength and leverage than "moves".

Under normal circumstances, usually not. More often than not he'll do that little spin move, sometimes more than once, to beat the tackle. If nothing else, it'll tire them out. THAT is a pass rush move. Hali's pass rushing skills are created by his strength. Freeney's rely on his speed.

And when I say strength, I'm not talking about Hali throwing tackles to the ground. I mean he's strong. He can create creases to rush because of that. His strength is also nice because he doesn't get pushed around a lot.

How many times have you watched Freeney play? How about Hali?

I watched Hali 7 times this season.

You said he's "nothing like Freeney" and you'd be wrong. And Freeney would agree with me, since I've heard his own mouth sound out the words that he relies on strength and leverage...

Mr. Laz · 02-03-2006, 02:21 PM

Hali reminds me more of jevon kearse than freeney.

HolmeZz · 02-03-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You said he's "nothing like Freeney" and you'd be wrong.

Not in my opinion. I can't make a real good comparison between the two without digging deep for something. I think Hali could be a really great player. I just don't believe he's anything remotely close to Freeney in terms of how they play.

BigChiefFan · 02-03-2006, 05:29 PM

Hali is more of a COMPLETE DE than Freeney is. Freeney is a pass-rush specialist. Hali is a good pass-rusher AND plays the run very well.

Check this VIDEO out...

http://www.gopsusports.com/Football/TambaHali/

htismaqe · 02-03-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Not in my opinion. I can't make a real good comparison between the two without digging deep for something. I think Hali could be a really great player. I just don't believe he's anything remotely close to Freeney in terms of how they play.

Maybe if I get time I'll find some video of Freeney when he came out of college and I'll show you what I'm talking about...

jspchief · 02-03-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Apparently the Chiefs spent a TON of time talking to defensive players at the Senior Bowl.

The two that they supposedly spent the most time with were Hali and Kamerion Wimbley (DE, Florida State).

The other two guys they seemed to spend some time talking to were Abdul Hodge (MLB, Iowa) and another LB.

This all came from TFY, via 810 this morning.

I don't know why we're looking at Hodge.

I think he's a great MLB prospect, but he's only a MLB. No way is he a OLB material IMO. Mitchell may have the physical tools to move outside, but I think that would be silly considering the way he's caught on in the middle.

MLB has to be the one position we need least.

HolmeZz · 02-03-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Maybe if I get time I'll find some video of Freeney when he came out of college and I'll show you what I'm talking about...

When you're making comparisons to Freeney, you're referring to how he's playing in the NFL, not college.

htismaqe · 02-04-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't know why we're looking at Hodge.

I think he's a great MLB prospect, but he's only a MLB. No way is he a OLB material IMO. Mitchell may have the physical tools to move outside, but I think that would be silly considering the way he's caught on in the middle.

MLB has to be the one position we need least.

Exactly what I said.

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02-03-2006, 12:12 PM	#51
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	No, it seems like I actually watch football. There are plenty of scouts with the same feeling. It's not a knock, it's just saying that's not how Hali gets to the quarterback. "Freeney relies far more on strength and leverage than "moves". Under normal circumstances, usually not. More often than not he'll do that little spin move, sometimes more than once, to beat the tackle. If nothing else, it'll tire them out. THAT is a pass rush move. Hali's pass rushing skills are created by his strength. Freeney's rely on his speed. And when I say strength, I'm not talking about Hali throwing tackles to the ground. I mean he's strong. He can create creases to rush because of that. His strength is also nice because he doesn't get pushed around a lot.
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02-03-2006, 01:59 PM	#52
penchief MVP Join Date: Feb 2003 Casino cash: $6085286	Hali may not have great speed or size but here is where I have to agree with everyone and at the same disagree with everyone...... He relies on three things and does all equally well; quickness, moves, and strength. He is not outstanding in any category but from what I have seen he always finds a way to put the other guy at a disadvantage; either by beating him off the line of scrimmage or putting a move on him that leaves him a little off balance then finishing the play with his quickness or his strength. All I know is that he has a knack for getting to the ball and making plays. I want him if we can get him.
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02-03-2006, 02:21 PM	#54
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