So who got the better QB, K.C. or Denver? - Page 4

Kclee · 05-02-2006, 10:18 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ted/index.html

Yep, last year's overrated/underrated column was right on. Darren Sproles underrated? Check. Fabian Washington overrated? Check. In fact I bet this is another congratulatory call coming in now... Oh crap, it's Bears coach Lovie Smith. "You know I'm never going to let you live down that Tommie Harris/overrated bit two years ago."

Yeah, yeah, I know. Eli Manning still calls to taunt me every two weeks as well. What can I say, some years pan out better than others.

But I've got a good feeling about 2006.

Quarterback
Overrated: Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
Let me start by saying I do think the pride of the Commodores could well be a solid NFL quarterback. Considering he spent much of his career running from unblocked pass-rushers and throwing to third-rate SEC receivers (until last season, when freshman stud Earl Bennett came on the scene), Cutler's accomplishments at Vandy -- 3,073 yards, 21 touchdowns and nine interceptions as a senior -- were nothing short of remarkable. But the mere fact that many among the NFL cognoscenti are even thinking about taking Cutler ahead of the most dangerous quarterback to come through the college ranks in years (hint: rhymes with "rinse tongue") makes Cutler overrated -- and raises serious questions about how some of these scouts themselves would perform on the Wonderlic.

Underrated: Brodie Croyle, Alabama
Considering how much emphasis the NFL puts on arm strength, you'd think they'd be falling all over themselves for this guy. Croyle has a gun (just ask the Florida secondary). His mechanics are impeccable and his natural leadership abilities had a great deal to do with the Tide jumping out to a 9-0 start last season. I'm sure his substantial injury history (he underwent shoulder and ACL surgeries while in Tuscaloosa) is helping to knock him down the pecking order, but the fifth-year senior was a picture of health last season when he completed nearly 60 percent of his passes for 2,499 yards, 14 touchdowns and just four interceptions. This, despite the fact he played behind a horrendous offensive line that allowed 39 sacks and had to work with a largely unreliable receiving corps after Tyrone Prothro went down with a broken leg.

KCTitus · 05-02-2006, 12:30 PM

I dont really care as to which one is better...they might both suck, but I had to point out the irony in Teej calling out anyone as a homer. Maybe he got a new telescopic lens in that predominately orange homer scuba mask so that he could see the homer contacts.

All kidding aside, he does have a point. Im not sure what the rules are anymore, but as the only Chiefs fan site that only allows Bronco homerism, this thread should probably be locked and any KC homers banned.

Simplex3 · 05-02-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

If Bono Croyle can stay healthy, there's no telling how many games he can lose with you guys...

Somebody store this POS post for three years from now when the Rat has f**ked up Cutler like he has with every QB since Elway and Herm has coached up Croyle like he did with babyface in NY.

**alanm** · 05-02-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Won't know for about three years.

IIRC, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and Heath Schuler were all pretty badass college players.

That's the guy I was trying to think of all weekend to compare Cutler to.. Heath Schuler. That's who he reminds me of. Just couldn't remember his name. I hope the Bronco's continue to throw Plumber under the bus and chant for the Schuler clone.

vailpass · 05-02-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

So what? Croyle's dad can beat up Cutler's dad.

Wrong again. Croyle's dad runs a home for the mentally challenged. Cutler's dad is an Indiana State Patrolman.

Simplex3 · 05-02-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Wrong again. Croyle's dad runs a home for the mentally challenged. Cutler's dad is an Indiana State Patrolman.

Hell, the rat should have drafted Croyle instead since he's already used to dealing with reeruns.

Simplex3 · 05-02-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Wrong again. Croyle's dad runs a home for the mentally challenged. Cutler's dad is an Indiana State Patrolman.

Of course it's also a good thing the Raiders didn't draft Cutler. It would be a shame for his dad to have to arrest him at every family dinner.

Pitt Gorilla · 05-02-2006, 12:36 PM

I like both guys. I'd give Cutler the advantage on physical attributes, but I'd give Croyle the advantage in terms of winning at a high level. I'm not sure how one could say that one will be definitively better in the NFL than the other. I'd guess that people like vailpass also thought Pennington, Carmazzi, and Redman were going to be better than Brady.

ROYC75 · 05-02-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

the then baltimore colts (now indy) drafted john elway

The basturd should have played baseball .............

vailpass · 05-02-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

Hell, the rat should have drafted Croyle instead since he's already used to dealing with reeruns.

Not nice dude.

QUOTE=Simplex3]Of course it's also a good thing the Raiders didn't draft Cutler. It would be a shame for his dad to have to arrest him at every family dinner.[/QUOTE]

vailpass · 05-02-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I like both guys. I'd give Cutler the advantage on physical attributes, but I'd give Croyle the advantage in terms of winning at a high level. I'm not sure how one could say that one will be definitively better in the NFL than the other. I'd guess that people like vailpass also thought Pennington, Carmazzi, and Redman were going to be better than Brady.

WTF? None of those three chumps had anywhere near the on and off field talents/intangibles Cutler has. Feel free to not put words into my mouth going forward, thanks.

KCTitus · 05-02-2006, 12:42 PM

27 Qb's drafted in top 15 since 1989...

1989: Troy Aikman (1)
1990: Jeff George (1), Andre Ware (7)
1992: David Klingler (6)
1993: Bledsoe (1), Rick Mirer (2), Dave Brown (9)
1994: Heath Schuler (3), Trent Dilfer (6)
1995: Steve McNair (3), Kerry Collins (5)
1998: Peyton Manning (1), Ryan Leaf (2)
1999: Tim Couch (1), McNabb (2), Akili Smith (3), Culpepper (11), Cade McNown (12)
2001: Mike Vick (1)
2002: Carr (1)
2003: Carson Palmer (1), Leftwich (7)
2004: Manning (1), Rivers (4), Roethlisberger (11)
2005: Alex Smith (1)

Clearly reviewing this list, the fact that Cutler was drafted 11, like Culpepper and Big Ben, he'll be the same type of QB. Had he gone #2, he might have been doomed.

ROYC75 · 05-02-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I like both guys. I'd give Cutler the advantage on physical attributes, but I'd give Croyle the advantage in terms of winning at a high level. I'm not sure how one could say that one will be definitively better in the NFL than the other. I'd guess that people like vailpass also thought Pennington, Carmazzi, and Redman were going to be better than Brady.

No..... they all thought son of a bitch( Griese ) was going to be the next Joe Montana.

stevieray · 05-02-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Wrong again. Croyle's dad runs a home for the mentally challenged. Cutler's dad is an Indiana State Patrolman.

Croyles Dad was a lineman who chose not to play in the NFL.

Over 15k kids have gone thorugh his ranch.

vailpass · 05-02-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Croyles Dad was a lineman who chose not to play in the NFL.

Over 15k kids have gone thorugh his ranch.

Yeah but do they remember a damn thing?

I keed, I keed.

I'm just ****ing with Simplex; no need to play the Saint Croyle Sr. card. I was a Brody Croyle fan the whole time he was at 'Bama, I loved his bulldog style and brains.

stevieray · 05-02-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Yeah but do they remember a damn thing?

I keed, I keed.

I'm just ****ing with Simplex; no need to play the Saint Croyle Sr. card. I was a Brody Croyle fan the whole time he was at 'Bama, I loved his bulldog style and brains.

just a FYI, nothing more.

05-02-2006, 10:18 AM
Kclee Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Casino cash: $10014147	So who got the better QB, K.C. or Denver? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ted/index.html Yep, last year's overrated/underrated column was right on. Darren Sproles underrated? Check. Fabian Washington overrated? Check. In fact I bet this is another congratulatory call coming in now... Oh crap, it's Bears coach Lovie Smith. "You know I'm never going to let you live down that Tommie Harris/overrated bit two years ago." Yeah, yeah, I know. Eli Manning still calls to taunt me every two weeks as well. What can I say, some years pan out better than others. But I've got a good feeling about 2006. Quarterback Overrated: Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt Let me start by saying I do think the pride of the Commodores could well be a solid NFL quarterback. Considering he spent much of his career running from unblocked pass-rushers and throwing to third-rate SEC receivers (until last season, when freshman stud Earl Bennett came on the scene), Cutler's accomplishments at Vandy -- 3,073 yards, 21 touchdowns and nine interceptions as a senior -- were nothing short of remarkable. But the mere fact that many among the NFL cognoscenti are even thinking about taking Cutler ahead of the most dangerous quarterback to come through the college ranks in years (hint: rhymes with "rinse tongue") makes Cutler overrated -- and raises serious questions about how some of these scouts themselves would perform on the Wonderlic. Underrated: Brodie Croyle, Alabama Considering how much emphasis the NFL puts on arm strength, you'd think they'd be falling all over themselves for this guy. Croyle has a gun (just ask the Florida secondary). His mechanics are impeccable and his natural leadership abilities had a great deal to do with the Tide jumping out to a 9-0 start last season. I'm sure his substantial injury history (he underwent shoulder and ACL surgeries while in Tuscaloosa) is helping to knock him down the pecking order, but the fifth-year senior was a picture of health last season when he completed nearly 60 percent of his passes for 2,499 yards, 14 touchdowns and just four interceptions. This, despite the fact he played behind a horrendous offensive line that allowed 39 sacks and had to work with a largely unreliable receiving corps after Tyrone Prothro went down with a broken leg.
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05-02-2006, 12:30 PM	#46
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	I dont really care as to which one is better...they might both suck, but I had to point out the irony in Teej calling out anyone as a homer. Maybe he got a new telescopic lens in that predominately orange homer scuba mask so that he could see the homer contacts. All kidding aside, he does have a point. Im not sure what the rules are anymore, but as the only Chiefs fan site that only allows Bronco homerism, this thread should probably be locked and any KC homers banned. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $-179806	I like both guys. I'd give Cutler the advantage on physical attributes, but I'd give Croyle the advantage in terms of winning at a high level. I'm not sure how one could say that one will be definitively better in the NFL than the other. I'd guess that people like vailpass also thought Pennington, Carmazzi, and Redman were going to be better than Brady. __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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05-02-2006, 12:42 PM	#56
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	27 Qb's drafted in top 15 since 1989... 1989: Troy Aikman (1) 1990: Jeff George (1), Andre Ware (7) 1992: David Klingler (6) 1993: Bledsoe (1), Rick Mirer (2), Dave Brown (9) 1994: Heath Schuler (3), Trent Dilfer (6) 1995: Steve McNair (3), Kerry Collins (5) 1998: Peyton Manning (1), Ryan Leaf (2) 1999: Tim Couch (1), McNabb (2), Akili Smith (3), Culpepper (11), Cade McNown (12) 2001: Mike Vick (1) 2002: Carr (1) 2003: Carson Palmer (1), Leftwich (7) 2004: Manning (1), Rivers (4), Roethlisberger (11) 2005: Alex Smith (1) Clearly reviewing this list, the fact that Cutler was drafted 11, like Culpepper and Big Ben, he'll be the same type of QB. Had he gone #2, he might have been doomed. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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