Why is everyone freaking out over Roaf? - Page 4

Moooo · 07-28-2006, 08:54 PM

Lets start off by saying I personally think he was the most important person on the Offense other than the Backfield (Gonzo included). I'm not debating his importance.

That being said, why is everyone going nuts? Its not like freaking out and panicking is solving the problem. At this point its in the hands of the coaching staff. They have a MONTH AND A HALF to figure out who will be the most reasonable suitor, and consequently get a good system going.

Everything I've seen says synchronization with the other members of the O-line and also the backfield is the most important aspect of the performance of a lineman. Whoever replaces him will have all that time to learn the subtleties of Waters, Green, LJ and the other linemen as well. Its not going to be like it was last year when the player was thrown in to an offense with players he wasn't used to working with, or an offense which is designed around a pro-bowl tackle. Now we have time to make the necessary changes to work with this accordingly.

I'm not putting people down for freaking out. I just don't get it at all... It doesn't make sense so if someone can explain why you freak out (when it doesn't make the situation better), I would appreciate it.

Moooo

Mr. Laz · 07-29-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Key word is IF. He didn't. Deal with it.

i see .... back your basic stance on everything chiefs related

fans need STFD and

..... speak only when spoken to ... cheer during game day ... no opinions allowed.

stevieray · 07-29-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

i see .... back your basic stance on everything chiefs related

fans need STFD and

..... speak only when spoken to ... cheer during game day ... no opinions allowed.

damn you are such a friggin crybaby. Fans need to to be realistic and realize that what we couldv'e done is a waste of time. I think the reason why you and others do it is so you can just bitch for bitchings sake.

I never stated that losing Roaf hurt us.

Adept Havelock · 07-29-2006, 09:42 AM

We're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED, I tell you.

Or perhaps not.

It is what it is. A hell of a test for the new HC, and this team.

Mr. Laz · 07-29-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

damn you are such a friggin crybaby. Fans need to to be realistic and realize that what we couldv'e done is a waste of time. I think the reason why you and others do it is so you can just bitch for bitchings sake.

I never stated that losing Roaf hurt us.

stevieray gets nasty in 3 .... 2 ... 1 ....

the absolute nature of his own position makes it a pretty mandatory response.

Brock · 07-29-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

if roaf retires earlier we could of adjusted the draft and been in a better position.

a completely reasonable opinion

Could have. Then again, they could have and probably should have been prepared for this eventuality anway, or the fact that Roaf was becoming more and more of an injury risk. I don't put any of this on Roaf.

**Rain Man** · 07-29-2006, 10:03 AM

I tend to agree about the timing of the retirement. While I very much appreciate what Roaf has done for the Chiefs, I wish he would have retired before the draft so the Chiefs would've had a better idea of their needs. It may not have changed their decisions, but it may well have done so.

Marcus Allen did the same thing to the Chiefs, and it kind of ticked me off then, too.

Mr. Laz · 07-29-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Could have. Then again, they could have and probably should have been prepared for this eventuality anway, or the fact that Roaf was becoming more and more of an injury risk. I don't put any of this on Roaf.

i was just putting BSpimps comment back into context.

Roaf has earned his respect and the ability to leave the game how he chooses.

got nuttin by love for meatRoaf.

**Bowser** · 07-29-2006, 10:05 AM

I am going to stick with the belief that Roaf wants no part of training camp, and is going to change his mind in the coming days/weeks.

Denile? Maybe.

HMc · 07-29-2006, 10:10 AM

Strikes me that the chiefs are gonna have an average O-line rather than the best or 2nd best or whatever.

They'll just need to improve in other areas.

mcan · 07-29-2006, 01:52 PM

The player has to look out for himself. Which is worse?

1. Announcing your retirement early, and then thinking "ah what the heck" and coming back after the Chiefs take a 1st or 2nd round tackle, when we REALLY needed defensive help.

2. Announcing right before training camp that you're just not up to the task, and you're going to retire.

stevieray · 07-29-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

stevieray gets nasty in 3 .... 2 ... 1 ....

the absolute nature of his own position makes it a pretty mandatory response.

I never said that his opinion was wrong, or that he didn't have the right to it, just that I've never understood those kinds of comments...if anyone took a statement out context, it was you.

Ironic that the absolute nature of your position makes it a pretty mandatory response.

stevieray · 07-29-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I tend to agree about the timing of the retirement. While I very much appreciate what Roaf has done for the Chiefs, I wish he would have retired before the draft so the Chiefs would've had a better idea of their needs. It may not have changed their decisions, but it may well have done so.

Marcus Allen did the same thing to the Chiefs, and it kind of ticked me off then, too.

I believe that Willie was hoping to play, his body just didn't recover in time.

htismaqe · 07-29-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

I believe that Willie was hoping to play, his body just didn't recover in time.

That's precisely what happened, IMO.

Logical · 07-29-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's precisely what happened, IMO.

I agree with both you and Stevie. Does not make the teams situation any less desperate, you don't lose both OTs in the same offseason and not expect a precipitous drop-off in offense especially when one of your three remaining o-lineman is so long in the tooth that he showed a major drop off last year for almost half the season.

**MahiMike** · 07-29-2006, 09:09 PM

Dude, we had a whole season last year to try and figure out what to do when Roaf wasn't on the field. They came up w/nuttin! Tony G had to help block and it took our #2 receiver completely away. He had 2 TDs because Roaf was hurt. It cost us a playoff spot and possible SB. Yeah, I'd say this is a pretty damn big deal. They just went from 11 wins to 7 or 8 with this retirement.

Can u say "rebuilding"?

07-28-2006, 08:54 PM
Moooo Seeking Enlightenment... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Springfield Casino cash: $10004900	Why is everyone freaking out over Roaf? Lets start off by saying I personally think he was the most important person on the Offense other than the Backfield (Gonzo included). I'm not debating his importance. That being said, why is everyone going nuts? Its not like freaking out and panicking is solving the problem. At this point its in the hands of the coaching staff. They have a MONTH AND A HALF to figure out who will be the most reasonable suitor, and consequently get a good system going. Everything I've seen says synchronization with the other members of the O-line and also the backfield is the most important aspect of the performance of a lineman. Whoever replaces him will have all that time to learn the subtleties of Waters, Green, LJ and the other linemen as well. Its not going to be like it was last year when the player was thrown in to an offense with players he wasn't used to working with, or an offense which is designed around a pro-bowl tackle. Now we have time to make the necessary changes to work with this accordingly. I'm not putting people down for freaking out. I just don't get it at all... It doesn't make sense so if someone can explain why you freak out (when it doesn't make the situation better), I would appreciate it. Moooo
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07-29-2006, 09:42 AM	#48
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07-29-2006, 10:03 AM	#51
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-692449 VARSITY	I tend to agree about the timing of the retirement. While I very much appreciate what Roaf has done for the Chiefs, I wish he would have retired before the draft so the Chiefs would've had a better idea of their needs. It may not have changed their decisions, but it may well have done so. Marcus Allen did the same thing to the Chiefs, and it kind of ticked me off then, too. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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07-29-2006, 10:05 AM	#53
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-218384	I am going to stick with the belief that Roaf wants no part of training camp, and is going to change his mind in the coming days/weeks. Denile? Maybe.
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07-29-2006, 10:10 AM	#54
HMc from the very deep south. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia. Casino cash: $9944900	Strikes me that the chiefs are gonna have an average O-line rather than the best or 2nd best or whatever. They'll just need to improve in other areas.
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07-29-2006, 01:52 PM	#55
mcan Apr 13,1949 – Dec 15, 2011 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9996085	The player has to look out for himself. Which is worse? 1. Announcing your retirement early, and then thinking "ah what the heck" and coming back after the Chiefs take a 1st or 2nd round tackle, when we REALLY needed defensive help. 2. Announcing right before training camp that you're just not up to the task, and you're going to retire.
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07-29-2006, 09:09 PM	#60
MahiMike He's Mahomie! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Jax, FL Casino cash: $10023443	Dude, we had a whole season last year to try and figure out what to do when Roaf wasn't on the field. They came up w/nuttin! Tony G had to help block and it took our #2 receiver completely away. He had 2 TDs because Roaf was hurt. It cost us a playoff spot and possible SB. Yeah, I'd say this is a pretty damn big deal. They just went from 11 wins to 7 or 8 with this retirement. Can u say "rebuilding"?
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