Hindsight 20/20: Was it a mistake to bench Huard?

[Believer]

I know. I know. Huard had a bad game at Miami. But in 2001 Brady came off a so-so game vs St.Louis as the Patriots fell to 5-5, but Belichick saw the whole picture, that the Patriots had turned around a 0-2 start by going 5-3 under Brady.

there are good arguments for either side, but i think, since Green has only really had one good game, and last week he stunk to high heaven, its a valid question. Would Huard have had 2 picks, a fumble, and a bunch of sacks?

He wasnt the passer Green is, but he managed the game better and helped the defense.

Just throwing it out there...

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm high on Croyle.

He has a strong, accurate arm, and the kind of toughness in the pocket that teammates respect.

We are going ot have to rebuild the OL this year as well. So why not? Just unload and rebuild. Teams are doing it each year. Trade some popular players for picks. Hit the free agent market hard for OL/DL people and continue the youth movement.

3 years from now we all could be worshipping Herm and enjoying success of a solid team. Or we can be sitting here whinning about it just like this year.

Who knows?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

We are going ot have to rebuild the OL this year as well. So why not? Just unload and rebuild. Teams are doing it each year. Trade some popular players for picks. Hit the free agent market hard for OL/DL people and continue the youth movement.

3 years from now we all could be worshipping Herm and enjoying success of a solid team. Or we can be sitting here whinning about it just like this year.

Who knows?

You don't unload a rookie QB with some promise.
You rebuild the O-Line so that he has some protection when he gets his opportunity.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by Hootie

At some point we have to hold Green accountable as fans, and I do...the reason we're not going to the playoffs this year is because Herm benched Huard.

Sorry.

It's so true. If I had a dollar for every person who was shouting "PUT IN HUARD" while things slipped away in Cleveland... well, actually, I'd be broke. Nevermind.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by milkman

You don't unload a rookie QB with some promise.
You rebuild the O-Line so that he has some protection when he gets his opportunity.

I didnt mean unload Coryle, He is part of the much needed youth movement.....

[PastorMikH]

QB play can be blamed as the primary reason for 2 losses this season. Miami and Baltimore. One with each QB. I don't really think the reason we are losing is because Green is playing over Huard. In Cleveland he passed like the Trent of old with a QB rating of 129.3 for the game.

I think the biggest problem is, somewhere, somehow in every game, certain groups - not always the same groups - inconsistent play kills us.

1. Cinnci - O Line play was horrible and the D was impotent against the no huddle

2. Denver - It's always tough in Denver and Huard was starting his first game. If LJ hadn't fumbled in the red-zone things could have been a lot different.

3. Pittsburgh - Probably the most complete meltdown from the coaching staff all the way down to the towel boy. From now on leave the Lingerie models alone on sat night guys!

4. Miami - Huard may have ended up with 201 yards, but he still had a QB rating of 57. But it wasn't just his fault, he can't help his recievers had the dropsies and Dancin' Dante fumbled.

5. Cleveland - What happened to our D? What happened to our D??? Did you all forget how to play or did some highschoolers steal your uni's and play in your spot? Hermy, when you have the ball with ANY time left on the clock, get the ball down the field - and what do you have to lose by letting Tynes at least TRY a 60 yarder for the W instead of throwing to Tony at the hash-marks with 5 seconds to go? And O, when you win the toss, YOU HAVE GOT TO MOVE THE BALL DOWNFIELD!!! Last but not least, Herm, if you think we can't win, DON'T SHARE THAT UNTIL AFTER THE GAME!!! The last thing the team needs is to get the idea from the HC that they can't win.

6. Baltimore - Trent, we really could have done without the INTs. Yeah, I know the ball was tipped, but if you had gotten it down it Tony wouldn't have had to reach. Solari, you can't be so predictable against a D like Baltimore. Mix it up man! Run, Run, Pass, Punt ain't gonna work. It's OK to pass on first down. It's OK to go deep once in a while. If Herm says it isn't, do it anyway.


If all units played at the level each has achieved in games this year without the mistakes, we can beat anyone - with either Green or Huard.

[luv]

Originally Posted by BigRock

It's so true. If I had a dollar for every person who was shouting "PUT IN HUARD" while things slipped away in Cleveland... well, actually, I'd be broke. Nevermind.

Trent only had 4 TD passes in that game. He should have had more. I mean, c'mon.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by luv

Trent only had 4 TD passes in that game. He should have had more. I mean, c'mon.

Ok?

He also threw a pick that ended up being pretty costly while they were in field goal range. A jump ball to Kris Wilson on 2nd down? Good decision.

He also fumbled the ball towards the end of regulation...should've lost the game right there.

[Reerun_KC]

Hootie, If we see the probelm and know that Huard is our best chance for winning. Why is Herm sticking with Trent?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Believer, I totally agree and have been saying the same thing for weeks.

Rep.

It's pretty telling that you would lump yourself with a religious troll whose entire schtick is staying with a belief in the face of overwhelming empirical evidence.

[Mr. Laz]

Herm changed from Huard to Green because GOD told him to.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

It's pretty telling that you would lump yourself with a religious troll whose entire schtick is staying with a belief in the face of overwhelming empirical evidence.

I have no idea who this guy is...

But the 'overwhelming empirical evidence' is bullshit.

I've posted all the 'evidence' needed for this debate.

I'll post one more...

Huard 5-3
Green 2-3

[Believer]

Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

It's pretty telling that you would lump yourself with a religious troll whose entire schtick is staying with a belief in the face of overwhelming empirical evidence.

Religious talk in a football thread? How unseemly Hummus. Pehaps you can take your anti-christian hatred to another didcussion board.

[blueballs]

you suck Neal

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

I have no idea who this guy is...

But the 'overwhelming empirical evidence' is bullshit.

I've posted all the 'evidence' needed for this debate.

I'll post one more...

Huard 5-3
Green 2-3

No, you haven't. Huard faced shitty defenses early in the year when LJ wasn't yet wearing down. He didn't have to do anything. After game 2, he had a cohesive O-line until Waters went down, and then he shit the bed against the Dolphins. Green has had injuries to his o-line factor in to every game he has played this year. He's also faced better defenses with worse playcalling. Another thing Huard had going for him was Green's input during the game, which helped to mitigate the incompetence of Solari in calling a game.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

No, you haven't. Huard faced shitty defenses early in the year when LJ wasn't yet wearing down. He didn't have to do anything. After game 2, he had a cohesive O-line until Waters went down, and then he shit the bed against the Dolphins. Green has had injuries to his o-line factor in to every game he has played this year. He's also faced better defenses with worse playcalling. Another thing Huard had going for him was Green's input during the game, which helped to mitigate the incompetence of Solari in calling a game.