Manhattan Kansas going after anything even resembling 12 different breeds.

[BIG_DADDY]

I got to pat myself on the back, some of you said I was crazy. WTF is going on out there in Kansas and Missouri? The mass majority of the country is throwing out BSL but you guys are catering to PETA and HSUS like nobody else by far. Fast track to the slaughter of man's best friend.

Sec. 6-25. Dangerous dogs.
(a) As used in this section, “dangerous dog” shall mean and include any of the following:
(1) Any dog, whether purebred or mix, which is more than ninety (90) days
old, and has the appearance and characteristics of any one or more of the
following breed(s):
i. American Pit Bull Terrier
ii. American Staffordshire Terrier
iii. Bull Terrier
iv. Staffordshire Bull Terrier
v. Argentine Dogo
vi. Cane Corso
vii. Dogue de Bordeaux
viii. Dogo Cubano
ix. Dogo Sardesco
x. Fila Brasileiro
xi. Perro de Presa Canario
xii. Wolf hybrids
(2) Any dog which has attacked a human being or domestic animal without
provocation; or
(3) Any dog, while at-large, that, without provocation, exhibits aggression or
combativeness toward a person or another domestic animal in an apparent
attack, whether or not said person or animal is actually attacked, bitten, or
otherwise physically injured; or
(4) Any dog kept or harbored primarily, or in part, for the purpose of dog
fighting, or any dog trained for dog fighting; or
(5) Any dog, not owned by a governmental or law enforcement unit, used
primarily to guard public or private property; or
(6) Any dog which is known to his keeper or harborer, or reasonably should
be known to his keeper or harborer, to have a propensity, tendency or
disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury or to otherwise endanger
the safety of human beings or domestic animals. It is hereby declared to

[HonestChieffan]

I guess you are right. I'd hate to believe a subversive outfit like Center for Disease Control. They are just bunch of known radicals....

I dont have a problem debating with you but if you are just going to run off with this "I have all the facts" ans "everyone else is wrong" approch...then forget it. The fact is You may have the right to own such an animal...I have the right to not want the animal in my neighborhood.

I am not now or at any time ever been a "fear mongering clown"...your words. What I will submit is there is and has been a ton of work done that demonstrates the antisocial behavior of the breed. The article i linked you to goes directly to that issue of the breeds tendency to be violent. Now you may choose to frame that in whatever manner you like but dont call everyone who takes this issue differently than you a "fear mongering clown" or you really dont come across as having a valid point, just a strongly held opinion. I respect your right to your views, Id at least expect the same from you.

As to the move to ban many breeds, that is currently the favorite tactic of the pitbull proponants as a means to enlist the support of dog owners in general...and its clearly not working. Few Labradore owners are going torush out to help a pitbull owner who tries to link the two breeds as somehow equally docile. Its just not so.

To equate a bite by poodle to an attack by a pitbull is foolish and carrys no relative weight in this issue.

I will also state that you try somehow to align PETA with people who oppose your views. Well, that has little merit. PETA is a group that I would catagorize as fringe wackjobs...They have few stands that I can agree with. If they are involved in a pit bull ban its certainly not from a protection viewpoint so dont try to paint all people who view pitbulls as a menace with the PETA brush.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

I guess you are right. I'd hate to believe a subversive outfit like Center for Disease Control. They are just bunch of known radicals....

Maybe I missed something, where did you quote the CDC and what are they supposed to know ‘bout dog breeds?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

I guess you are right. I'd hate to believe a subversive outfit like Center for Disease Control. They are just bunch of known radicals....

I dont have a problem debating with you but if you are just going to run off with this "I have all the facts" ans "everyone else is wrong" approch...then forget it. The fact is You may have the right to own such an animal...I have the right to not want the animal in my neighborhood.

I am not now or at any time ever been a "fear mongering clown"...your words. What I will submit is there is and has been a ton of work done that demonstrates the antisocial behavior of the breed. The article i linked you to goes directly to that issue of the breeds tendency to be violent. Now you may choose to frame that in whatever manner you like but dont call everyone who takes this issue differently than you a "fear mongering clown" or you really dont come across as having a valid point, just a strongly held opinion. I respect your right to your views, Id at least expect the same from you.

As to the move to ban many breeds, that is currently the favorite tactic of the pitbull proponants as a means to enlist the support of dog owners in general...and its clearly not working. Few Labradore owners are going torush out to help a pitbull owner who tries to link the two breeds as somehow equally docile. Its just not so.

To equate a bite by poodle to an attack by a pitbull is foolish and carrys no relative weight in this issue.

I will also state that you try somehow to align PETA with people who oppose your views. Well, that has little merit. PETA is a group that I would catagorize as fringe wackjobs...They have few stands that I can agree with. If they are involved in a pit bull ban its certainly not from a protection viewpoint so dont try to paint all people who view pitbulls as a menace with the PETA brush.

I have already posted tons of information on the subject. If you don't want to look at it that's on you. Most people here at the
Planet have already seen it or had exposure to the breed which is why you are receiving no support right now. Your article was nothing but a lot of rhetoric. Pit bulls taking over the parks, give me a break. The aggression is animal related, NOT HUMAN. PETA and the HSUS have people everywhere. You can even tell when they have put together the proposed legislation as is the case here. In California when they proposed our BSL they straight up admitted alliance with the HSUS. Their goal is the elimination of the domestic ownership of all animals whether you believe it or not. Here is a quote for you:

“One generation and out. We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding...We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding.”
Wayne Pacelle, HSUS, former director of the Fund for Animals, Animal People, May 1993

As far as your labradore owners are concerned did you know labs bite more people in the bay area than any other breed? Truth about pits is they really don't bite people, that why they had to start refering to many different breeds as being pits so they could actually attain some numbers. The great majority of reported pit bull attacks are not even pits.

As far as dog owners not working with each other or pit owners not getting support from other breeds you are dead wrong on that too. Jackie Speier wrote our proposed legislation. I went from dog park to after dog park making people aware of what she was doing. I received overwhelming support from approximately 95% of the owners. People who were like you were shunned and corrected by the others. Yes they vote over party lines in a second as well. Jackie just lost the last election BTW. Proposed BSL is failing nationally as well. Very little is actually going through. Kansas and Missouri are by far the worst states now, even worse than Colorado.

[BIG_DADDY]

Truth is the pendulum is swinging back the other direction right now. Such proposed legislation is failing because the case against pit bulls is failing. Of course that has to be substantiated by experts to kill said legislation. For this reason the strategy is changing and the true colors of those proposing this type of legislation is being exposed. That's why they are starting to go after dog sizes, or weight now. I have posted threads on that too if you care to look (I'm sure you don't)

Alabama
Montgomery - decides against BSL

Arkansas
Bald Knob-decides against BSL
Shannon Hills-decides against BSL
Searcy-decides against BSL
Mulberry-decides against BSL
Fort Smith - decides against BSL
Crossett - decides against BSL

Colorado
SB054-doesnt pass
Golden-decides against BSL
Estes Park-decides against BSL
Northglenn-decides against BSL
LaJunta-decides against BSL
Layfayette-decides against BSL
Longmont-decides against BSL
Rocky Ford-decides against BSL
Federal Heights-decides against BSL
Westminster-decides against BSL

Delaware
New Castle County-decides against BSL

Florida
Coral Springs - decides against BSL
Deltona - decides against BSL

Georgia
Rockmart--decides against BSL
Floyd County - decides against BSL

Illinois
Kewanee-decides against BSL
Waukegan-decides against BSL
McHenry County-decides against BSL
Normal-decides against BSL
Paxton-decides against BSL
Forest-decides against BSL
Bloomington-decides against BSL
Will County-decides against BSL
Chicago-decides against BSL
Lincolnshire-decides against BSL
Hodgkins-decides against BSL
Northlake - decides against BSL
Minooka - decides against BSL

Indiana
Anderson-decides against BSL
Indianapolis - decides against BSL
South Bend - decides against BSL
St. Joseph County - decides against BSL

Iowa
Mason City-decides against BSL
Waterloo-decides against BSL
Washington - decides against BSL
Humbolt - decides against BSL

Kansas
Leavenworth-decides against BSL
Witchita-decides against BSL
Emporia - decides against BSL
Merrium - decides against BSL
Olathe - decides against BSL

Kentucky
Frankfort -decides against BSL
Lietchfield-decides against BSL
Milton-decides against BSL
Lincoln County-decides against BSL
Spencer County-decides against BSL
Middlesboro-decides against BSL
Oldham County-decides against BSL
Paintsville- decides against BSL
Park Hills - decides against BSL
Corinth - decides against BSL

Louisianna
Lake Charles-decides against BSL
Sulpher-decides against BSL
Gonzalez - decides against BSL

Massachusetts
Methuen - decies against BSL
Gloucester - decides against BSL
Waltham - decides against BSL

Michigan
Detroit-repealed
Oxford - decides against BSL
Milford - decides against BSL

Mississippi
Brandon - Repealed BSL

Missouri
Belton-repealed
Oak Grove-decides against BSL
Bellfontaine Neighbors-decides against BSL
Unionville-decides against BSL
Jennings-decides against BSL
Raytown - decides against BSL
Sedalia - decides against BSL
University City - decides against BSL

New Jersey
state-TABLED

North Carolina
Watuga County - decides against BSL

Ohio
Lancaster-decides against BSL
East Palestine-decides against BSL

Pennsylvania
Wilkes Barre - decides against BSL
Hazelton - decides against BSL
Erie - decides against BSL

Tennessee
Woodbury- decides against BSL
Tullahoma - decides against BSL
Shelbyville - decides against BSL
Putnam County - decides not to pursue BSL

South Carolina
Bamberg - decides against BSL

Texas
Killeen-decides againt BSL
DeSoto - decides against BSL

Washington
Richland - decides against BSL
Federal Way - decides against BSL

West Virginia
Wheeling - decides against BSL

Wisconsin
Horicon - BSL vetoed

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[Chieficus]

Originally Posted by acesn8s

Why not ban Poodles too?

That's not a half bad idea... especially male poodles who are dressed up in girly-dog outfits and named "Tootsie."

Aw, heck--don't ban those dogs, just the owners who cause those monstrosities...

[Abba-Dabba]

I put most of the blame on the pit bull community. Don't sell your pit bull pups to a thug and you wouldn't have half the problems you do.

[Simplex3]

Don't worry everyone, the govt is here to keep you safe and sound.

[boogblaster]

American-bull-terriers are a cross between English & Manchester bull-dogs..both breeds were breed to control varmits and work livestock..they do both of those jobs when trained to perfection..problem is most owners of these dogs today don't have a clue how to control them....

[Joie]

My dog stepped between me and some men I didn't know that came up to my house many years ago. She didn't show her teeth, growl or bark. She simply made it clear to get to me they'd be going through her. She was acting in her natural role as a guard dog. She should be banned for that? Thats the day she earned her keep.

[ndbbm]

A bull terrier? How freaking sad. I had 2 of these guys and they were the most playful loving dogs ever. One was a certified therapy dog who I used to take to the children's hospital. Fooking pathetic.

[banyon]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

They are basically making it so hard to own them it's basically impossible. This stuff was written HSUS people it's obvious. It also includes mandatory nuetering of all these dog types or anything tht even looks like them in an effort to make these breed extinct. You want to know how bad it really is, here you go:
...[ordinance]...
PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF
MANHATTAN, KANSAS, THIS __ST DAY OF ____, 2007.
CITY OF MANHATTAN, KANSAS

I don't know BD, I agree that this ordinance is effectively so cumbersome as to prohibit ownership for most, but it could be amended and I don't think I would have a problem with sections 1 or 2. The rest, though should go.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by banyon

I don't know BD, I agree that this ordinance is effectively so cumbersome as to prohibit ownership for most, but it could be amended and I don't think I would have a problem with sections 1 or 2. The rest, though should go.

So you are saying you agree with labeling all those breeds vicious across the board irregardless of an individual dogs history?

I'll say one thing, god bless the The Dog Whisperer. Individually he is changing that mentality more than anyone else in this country. Fortunately it looks like the pendulum is swinging the other way now. Even areas where they have passed BSL are having it challenged. Dog owners against this stuff are just beginning to get their shit together a well. What I thought was cool was the last election. I received and e-mail about who not to vote for if you care about owning animals. I think we were pretty successful in getting out the word. When I would tell pet owners who not to vote for many of them said they already knew. Jackie who wrote SB 861 went down in defeat with many of her supporters now voting against her. I guarantee you she will never do that again. Between needing a police escort to get to the capital and dealing with the backlash before the last election she lost I think she got the message.

[banyon]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

So you are saying you agree with labeling all those breeds vicious across the board irregardless of an individual dogs history?

I'll say one thing, god bless the The Dog Whisperer. Individually he is changing that mentality more than anyone else in this country. Fortunately it looks like the pendulum is swinging the other way now. Even areas where they have passed BSL are having it challenged. Dog owners against this stuff are just beginning to get their shit together a well. What I thought was cool was the last election. I received and e-mail about who not to vote for if you care about owning animals. I think we were pretty successful in getting out the word. When I would tell pet owners who not to vote for many of them said they already knew. Jackie who wrote SB 861 went down in defeat with many of her supporters now voting against her. I guarantee you she will never do that again. Between needing a police escort to get to the capital and dealing with the backlash before the last election she lost I think she got the message.

No, I think that they should probably have at least a study to back up the proposed ordinance, but most jurisdictions have regs that require leashing and confinement regardless of the breed. Certainly for dogs with an individual history it makes a lot of sense to keep them from attacking again. I am clearly not as well read as you on the subject, but I guess at least the first two parts of the proposal don't bother me much, since most ordinances already have such requirements (though usually more general) regardless of breed.

[BIG_DADDY]

Hot off the press, pretty cool for the Twin cities.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox...Y&pageId=3.2.1

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by elvomito

bd those are some neat lookin dogs... wonder why they named him demon
http://www.vbocaucasian.com/ huge is right!
do you happen to know what people here are payin for them?

OK I just talked to my buddy out here. Apparently the Russian's he knows are bringing their best out to California to roll them. He confirmed they are supposed to be great watch dogs. He can get pups off of their top dogs but they are $1,500. If you are interested let me know. You could come out see the parents whatever you want. My guess is pups out here would probably be available some time this fall. THey have a pretty short life span averaging 8-10 years.