For those that want to draft a WR in the first round.... - Page 4

chop · 04-13-2007, 07:46 AM

Doesn't look like it will happen.

http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html

Chiefs won’t get grabby

Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft.

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star

Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season.
“We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.”
Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery?
Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for.
The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver.
The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee.
Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State.
While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle.
The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it.
“When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations.
“You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.”
Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season.
The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded.
The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger.
“They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition.
“It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ”
To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far.
“That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player.
“Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).”
Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver.
But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play.
“I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready.
“I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”

BIG_DADDY · 04-13-2007, 10:18 AM

All I have to say is I am sure glad Herm fixed the offense.

**Iowanian** · 04-13-2007, 10:38 AM

The Webb-Hannon love affair sounds strangely similar to the smoke blown up our kiesters with

Jesse Haynes
Richard Smith
Ted White........

**CosmicPal** · 04-13-2007, 10:41 AM

It doesn't surprise me.

I think the Chief's draft position being where they are- should do nothing more than take the best overall available. We need another good draft year. Last year was a good draft- if we can duplicate that with some good young talent, then we can add depth through free agency.

I am one to believe we might have been 'secretly' blessed with some true talent in Hannon and Webb. I'll give Herm the benefit of the doubt and trust that he believes in these guys and their future to this team.

Just take the best damn player available in this year's draft.

Adding Jenkins to the D-Line via trade would be a tremendous boost to our draft as it wouldn't make drafting a DT such a major need.

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-13-2007, 10:57 AM

Suppose they would like to draft a WR or two & one doesn't fall for good value. Why trash the WRs you may have to go with? confidence does matter in young players

Brock · 04-13-2007, 10:59 AM

Why blab about receivers you might want to draft?

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-13-2007, 11:01 AM

How much interaction is there really between the head coach & all his players? What the players may read or hear about what was in the paper or radio could be their major feed back.

Vermeil may have been to close to players to let them go when needed

~prolly not making my point clear

EDIT: Edwards is in slash & burn mode trying to revamp an old team. I doubt he gives many the warm & fuzzies. A little boost could go along way

**Iowanian** · 04-13-2007, 11:11 AM

I see it this way.....a starting caliber DT, CB, WR, OT in the 1st, and I'm happy.

Eric · 04-13-2007, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iowanian

The Webb-Hannon love affair sounds strangely similar to the smoke blown up our kiesters with

Jesse Haynes
Richard Smith
Ted White........

Those were undersized slow players.

But yeah, could be lying.

chop · 04-13-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

All I have to say is I am sure glad Herm fixed the offense.

Yeah, when he first came here he stated that the Offense scored to quickly and didn't give the defense a chance to rest.

He did fix the scoring too quickly problem but his 3 and out offense doesn't seem to give the defense any more time to rest.

htismaqe · 04-13-2007, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Do you agree with Herm? Do you agree with his reasoning?

No, I don't really agree with him.

I think you take the BPA regardless of position.

That being said, I also don't agree with the knuckleheads that say Herm can't draft and/or coach WR's. His 5 years in New York were INFINITELY better than Vermeil's 5 years here.

beer bacon · 04-13-2007, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I've been trying to prepare people for this for weeks.

Not only does Herm not feel we need WR's, he feels they aren't good value in R1.

“For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations.
“You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.”

I'm not sure why this comes as a huge shock to anyone......

At this point, I'm thinking we go CB in R1, trade down for Harrell or Tank, or reach for a player......

I hope we reach for the next Tamba Hali.

kcchiefsus · 04-13-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

I don't recall doing anything good with WR's on his JETS teams, his evaluation of WR's I would say, is not his strong point.

Does Santana Moss or Jericho Cotchery ring a bell?

bdeg · 04-13-2007, 01:38 PM

You guys have to note that this is an article put in the star based on Herm's earlier comments. It's not pre-draft deception, its an opinion on what we may do based on what Herm has said in the past and who we have scheduled to visit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicPal

I am one to believe we might have been 'secretly' blessed with some true talent in Hannon and Webb. I'll give Herm the benefit of the doubt and trust that he believes in these guys and their future to this team.

I remember reading Webb was considered a 1st day talent who had character issues. He had like 1100 yards his senior year. From what I've read he's a hard worker and I couldn't be happier with his character. We may have gotten 2 absolute steals in Webb and Page(although don't get me wrong, Webb has not proven himself at all yet).

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-13-2007, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer bacon

I hope we reach for the next Tamba Hali.

No kidding. This place was at DefCon 4 when he was taken last year.

That's why taking these so called "draft experts" word as gospel is wrong, IMO. Taking a guy a round or two early....that's a reach. Taking a guy 10 picks early.....not so much. Plus, I trust scouting departments over hacks getting paid by ESPN.

The word "reach" is used way too often on this board.

BIG_DADDY · 04-13-2007, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chop

Yeah, when he first came here he stated that the Offense scored to quickly and didn't give the defense a chance to rest.

He did fix the scoring too quickly problem but his 3 and out offense doesn't seem to give the defense any more time to rest.

Exactly!!!

04-13-2007, 07:46 AM
chop Go Chiefs! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $884270	For those that want to draft a WR in the first round.... Doesn't look like it will happen. http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html Chiefs won’t get grabby Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft. By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season. “We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.” Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery? Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for. The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver. The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee. Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State. While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle. The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it. “When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations. “You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.” Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season. The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded. The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger. “They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition. “It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ” To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far. “That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player. “Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).” Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver. But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play. “I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready. “I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”
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