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Old 05-05-2001, 04:44 PM  
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I am your best friend. I am a GOOD American.

I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe that the money I make belongs to me and my family, but I recognize that it is to my benefit if as many people as possible get fed, clothed, and get a good education, so I don’t mind having to pay taxes. I recognize that I live in a society that makes it possible for me to live so nicely, and I’m ok with giving back to that society.

I am in touch with my feelings. I know who I am. I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I don’t believe that anyone has ever died because of something that Ozzy Osbourne sang, though I recognize that children are impressionable, so I do my best to be a good role model for those who might look for me to be one. I don’t believe that owning a gun makes you a killer, though I have no problem with gun control. I think licensing handguns is a good idea that would hurt nobody but the lazy, and that if you think that licensing is the first step to confiscation, then you really don’t know what America is all about. Don’t tread on me with your ignorance.

I don’t think that being a minority makes you noble or victimized, but I recognize that this country was built in large part by slaves who paid the way for a lot of the rich families of this country. Like I said before, I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I realize that this land was stolen from the Indians who lived on it before us. I think it’s a shame when people marginalize the sacrifices that the American Indians gave up for this great country.

I believe that graduating from college is the best thing you can do for yourself, and I don’t care how you pay for it. I believe that anyone who really wants to graduate from college can… Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t come crying to me because you trapped yourself in a factory job and bought a really cool car before you put a serious investment in yourself. But don’t worry, I pay taxes to help people like you if you did. And I’m more than happy to do so, sitting in my office with a view, and diplomas on the wall.

I believe that my daughter is just as smart as your son. She could probably kick his *** too, if she put her mind to it. And it will be over my dead body that you deny her of the same opportunities that your son should enjoy. This is America, and females are Americans too.

I am happy to see that President Bush is doing his weekly addresses in both English and Spanish. America is the land of the diverse, and if you can’t handle that, then you are in the wrong place. I'm against the weekly presidential radio address being in ebonics though.

I am my own hero. I don’t need to look to anyone but my God, myself, and my family for strength. I like watching television, but I’m not going to make fictional characters my heroes. You can pretend that you’re John Wayne if you want. My little son thinks that he’s a cowboy too. When he gets old enough, he’ll realize that there is no such thing as a cowboy anymore… Just farmers, and God bless them all.

I believe that every vote should count, and I’m not fooled by the results of this last election. I’ll accept it, but I believe the next time we should actually VOTE the president in. It was a tough situation, and I can see both sides. I’m not going to pretend that one side or the other was wrong or right, but I will say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have acted so visibly biased. The solutions are out there if you bother to look for them in every instance, including this one.

You can be proud of yourself for being a BAD American if that’s what you are. I’ll choose to be proud of being a GOOD American, because that’s what I am.
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Old 05-06-2001, 02:10 PM   #46
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I believe that Governor Wilson sighed the bill that degregulated the power company's so that they now are able to pull off this power shortage scam.

Unemployment, welfare, and crime are at thier lowest level in years. I know you are upset that you can't get a job picking lettuce but you don't have to go though life hating everyone.

It is also nice to be able to go to a bar or restaurant without having to breath in cigarette smoke. You should be able to go more than 60 minutes without having to put a cancer stick in your mouth.

The last time I checked a lot more people die in tornadoes than eathquakes. Unless you live in India.

You can now add me to your hate list.
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Old 05-06-2001, 02:41 PM   #47
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Thanks for the defense, Phil. No, I'm not a Nazi.

Taco John, just because someone wants something, doesn't mean they are entitled to it. No illegal alien is entitled to sneak into this country and become a criminal or a welfare bum. They should be stopped at the border, or tracked down and sent back. Being an American is the birthright of Americans, not Mexicans. If it makes you feel better, though, I would only advocate shooting them as a last resort.

As I've said, I have no problem (or at least not as much of one) with LEGAL immigration of productive, English-speaking people. The people who come here to work the fields (and yes, I know it's hard work, I was raised on a farm) and go back are okay, as long as it's monitored. Wholesale mass migrations of illegals should be STOPPED. PERIOD. The days of Ellis Island are over.

Why can't Mexicans solve their own problems without burdening us? If the place is so overpopulated, why not try implementing some birth control? Why can't they weed out the corruption in their own government and make the place a better one to live in? I don't know why, and frankly I don't give a shit. Its not my problem, nor should it be the problem of the United States. The problems of the world are not in my department. If this makes me a selfish bastard, well, I'm cool with that. It not like I want anything from them, except perhaps to stop sucking up my tax dollars, robbing me and waiving their national rag in my face.
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Old 05-06-2001, 02:48 PM   #48
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In other words, you have nothing to offer but hate. Your problem is with the people, not with the problems. You're concerned about numero uno, and everyone else can go to hell. Am I getting warm?

BTW... The days of ellis island never ended, whether you like it or not. The statue of liberty still stands as a symbol to the huddled masses all over the world. You and your fascist attitude can't take that away, no matter how hard you try.
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Old 05-06-2001, 02:53 PM   #49
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sd: I actually have a pretty good job. No lettuce picking here. Of course, since I don't like lettuce, I really don't care who picks it or if its picked at all..

And I think it's nice to be able to go to a bar or restaurant without having some communist tell me I can't smoke. It's still a free country (in most places), contrary to the wishes of you and people like you.

And when your entire neighborhood slides into a fault when the big one hits, then you can talk to be about tornadoes. I'm thinking it would be alot easier to crawl out the basement than a fault.

And no, I won't add you to my hate list. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have a hate list. I will add you to the list of liberal idiots, though. Does that work for you?
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Old 05-06-2001, 03:00 PM   #50
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Taco: The days of Ellis Island DID end. It's a museum now. I guess you must not get to New York very often.

And I didn't offer hate, just an opinion. You guys should stop taking my signature line so literally. I want to take care of me and mine, and the problems of strangers aren't my business. Do you take your paycheck and dole it out people on the street? I didn't think so.

And of course, you completely ignored everything I said about Mexico. Again, I ask, why can't these people solve their own problems without burdening us?
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Old 05-06-2001, 03:05 PM   #51
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Wow--Those diplomas on your wall in your office with the drive through window view--- did you purchase them online?

Opportunity is not a problem.

We set the USA up that way so that even the poor could achieve through hard work. Legal hard work. With emphasis on the word legal.

You then make an incredible leap from immigrants working in the fields to the drug trade.

And--Alaska--it's a state in the United States. Mexico, it's a whole other country.

Your arguments are flimsy, weak, rambling and poorly worded. If your previous posts are accurate about your education, the fact that a diploma was granted is a problem.

Perhaps it’s time for you to go back for yet another degree. Try a different institute of higher learning. The sheepskin(s) that you are so proud of are no better than the wallpaper to which they are nailed.

Feel like I'm teaching ChiefNLA again.
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Old 05-06-2001, 03:24 PM   #52
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According to Taco, Mexico is not a whole other country, but apparently the 51st state (I guess I'll have to get a new flag). It seems that everyone born there has an absolute right to come to the other 50 states and collect welfare. And since we're white, and therefore rich, we shouldn't have a problem with it, because gee, they've had a rough time of it, and we're all living in opulent mansions drinking ambrosia from golden goblets.
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Old 05-06-2001, 03:37 PM   #53
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Frazod,

You're not a nazi, you're just narrow-minded, however, that's the necessary first step toward becoming a nazi. First, let me say there is no such thing as an American job, or a Mexican job, or a Michigan job, or a California job, there are only jobs, and people looking for them, first to eat, then maybe for a little comfort. If all the really good-paying jobs were in Indiana and you lived in Illinois you might move to Indiana to get one of them wouldn't you? Of course. And you wouldn't consider yourself an immigrant worker because you'd still be a citizen of the same country. But if that wasn't the case, and Indiana had a big army and a big fence around it, and your family was hungry and poor, you might do whatever it takes to get one of those Indiana jobs, and you WOULD resent that fence and that army. What if all the "Illinois jobs" disappeared and the "Indiana jobs" became scarce because the companies laid people off and lowered the pay. They'd start calling you names like "Okie" and "person of Hispanic heritage" and saying you spoke with an Illinois accent instead of an Indiana accent, just becase there were no jobs in Illinois, but you heard there still might be in Indiana. Or what if you looked over the fence and saw all those Indiana companies paying people $20-an-hour while the same Indiana companies were paying you $1-an-hour and bribing the government to keep you from striking to form a union to raise your wages? And what if you saw Indiana computers and machinery selling in Indiana for $500, but in Illinois they sold them for $1,000---and that raised the debt in Illinois and made it harder for Illinois "to solve its own problems"?


The point is that these "problems" stretch beyond Indiana borders, or US borders, and that you can't solve them by shutting "our jobs" up in a military camp. If you can't fight for others, you'll never be able to fight for yourself.

As for language, I just came back from a vacation in Paris. People there spoke 2, 3, and more languages. And they got along better, their kids were brighter and friendlier for it. They knew more about the world than the average American. And the neighborhoods were more integrated (except the rich neighborhoods), had less crime, were cleaner, had better schools (from what I could see), and were friendlier to one-language Americans. Signs and maps and menus and conversation were in 2, 3 and 4 languages. You make a language "official" and all you're really doing is building another fence to keep people out.


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Old 05-06-2001, 03:38 PM   #54
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[B]Wow--Those diplomas on your wall in your office with the drive through window view--- did you purchase them online?
THIS is a take? Did I purchase my diplomas online? ****ing idiot. No.

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Opportunity is not a problem.
Opportunity doesn't distinguish itself as legal or illegal. It is just there, for the taking.

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We set the USA up that way so that even the poor could achieve through hard work. Legal hard work. With emphasis on the word legal.
We? Who is we? You and your buddies? Hey pal, news flash: They sent criminals to America in droves when this country was being founded. Crime has existed in America froun the very beginning. There never was a utopia. Just freedom and opportunity.

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You then make an incredible leap from immigrants working in the fields to the drug trade.
Oh did I? Educate yourslef son:
http://www.methvalley.com/chapter_5.html

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And--Alaska--it's a state in the United States. Mexico, it's a whole other country..
No ****? It was an EXAMPLE. If you would have paid attention in school, your teacher probably used a lot of EXAMPLES... Go to dictionary.com to look up the meaning of the word "example" if you need to.

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Your arguments are flimsy, weak, rambling and poorly worded. If your previous posts are accurate about your education, the fact that a diploma was granted is a problem.
And yet I have a diploma, and a nice fat paycheck coming in. My arguments stand tall and tough. Just saying that I have bad arguments doesn't make it true. Try arguing the bad arguments at the source, and prove that they are bad, rather than just stroking your ego without making any valid points.

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Perhaps it’s time for you to go back for yet another degree. Try a different institute of higher learning. The sheepskin(s) that you are so proud of are no better than the wallpaper to which they are nailed.
You are right. It is about time for me to go back to school. Next stop Masters degree, on my way to being a PHD, where I'll probably end up educating your children well into my retirement.

If you are going to school me, you might try making ONE, even ONE point throughout your diatribe. All I ask for is ONE point. Not just a bunch of personal attacks that amount to zilch.
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Old 05-06-2001, 03:39 PM   #55
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John - "Of course, you could go on a Hitleresqe spree, and round up all of the mexicans, and the indians and the chinese, and put them in gas chambers for the benefit of the master race."

Or even better, we could simply eliminate all benefits to illegal aliens and start charging their respective countries a carrying fee to issue them home. Like the nasty Republicans tried to do with Pete WIlson in California, and the saviour favored ACLU fought tooth and nail - although it was what the people wanted.
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Old 05-06-2001, 03:46 PM   #56
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According to Taco, Mexico is not a whole other country, but apparently the 51st state (I guess I'll have to get a new flag). It seems that everyone born there has an absolute right to come to the other 50 states and collect welfare. And since we're white, and therefore rich, we shouldn't have a problem with it, because gee, they've had a rough time of it, and we're all living in opulent mansions drinking ambrosia from golden goblets.
Actually, Mexico is just another country in this small world in which we all live in. And their problems become our problems because they are so close to us. Just like if Canada's economy went for broke, it would be a big problem for us. The US does not exist in a vaccuum.

And if paying welfare is such a problem for you, why don't you just stop paying it. Make a stand. I guarantee you that good ole' American boys in blue will be at your doorstep, and not the Mexican Nationals.

If you don't like the US, you are free to move.
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You have evey right to smoke your brains out if you want but not when it affects the health of other people. Why do you have to smoke around other people? I have an old frend that used to say the same things that you are saying now. She is now lying in a hospital dying of cancer. You don't smoke because you want to. You smoke because you are hooked on it. When its too late and you get cancer I want you to remember this post.
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Old 05-06-2001, 03:49 PM   #58
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Hey, Taco, I'm happy to see you have a big fat check rolling in. So, since you have lots of money, why don't you buy me a new Corvette? I've always really, really wanted one, and according to your logic, I am therefore absolutely entitled to have it. I'm a total stranger, so you should care about me and give me what I want, not matter what the cost to you. You said earlier that you were my best friend. Well, best friend, I'll be expecting that Vette tomorrow morning.

By the way, I'M STILL WAITING for an answer to my question - why can't Mexico take care of itself? Someone with a big, fat paycheck and a wall full of degrees should be able to answer a simple fucking question.
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John - "And if paying welfare is such a problem for you, why don't you just stop paying it. Make a stand."

Funny you should say that after my last post.

We tried to do that in California, the majority demanded it.
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Hey, Taco, I'm happy to see you have a big fat check rolling in. So, since you have lots of money, why don't you buy me a new Corvette? I've always really, really wanted one, and according to your logic, I am therefore absolutely entitled to have it. I'm a total stranger, so you should care about me and give me what I want, not matter what the cost to you. You said earlier that you were my best friend. Well, best friend, I'll be expecting that Vette tomorrow morning.

By the way, I'M STILL WAITING for an answer to my question - why can't Mexico take care of itself? Someone with a big, fat paycheck and a wall full of degrees should be able to answer a simple fucking question.

I posted the answer... So did others. You just aren't willing to face the truth.
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