Belichick Must Pay - Page 4

Hammock Parties · 09-12-2007, 10:41 PM

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When I heard about the outrageous cheating committed by the Patriots this past Sunday, my initial reaction was to call for the league to hit New England where it hurts most: the NFL draft

Draft picks are the lifeblood of any successful NFL franchise. You can’t build a competitive team through free agency (as the Washington Redskins continue to prove). The Patriots, Indianapolis Colts and Philadelphia Eagles draft well each year and continue to win.

Robbing the Patriots of their entire allotment of picks in next April’s draft would have sent a harsh message – cheating will not be tolerated. But it’s too harsh. It hurts the entire team – the coaches, players and front office personnel – and the entire team wasn’t responsible for what happened on New York’s sideline on Sunday. One man was.

Bill Belichick.

Belichick should be the one to pay the ultimate price for this transgression. He’s clearly the ringleader. It’s absurd to speculate that any assistant coach conspired with his co-workers to pull this off. New England’s head coach obviously signed off on the deal to steal New York’s signals, and as the man in charge, he should be the one to pay.

The NFL should suspend Belichick for the remainder of the 2007 season, without pay. He should be barred from participating with the team in any football-related matter, and all communication concerning coaching matters should be cut off.

This heavily penalizes Belichick while taking an appropriate toll on his team. Who knows what advantages they gained against the Jets with Randy Moss running through New York’s pilfered coverages. Without their head coach, the Patriots will be robbed of their leader and key strategist for a suitable time.

It’s unfair to take away draft picks. It robs New England’s players of the tools to get the job done on the field next year, and in future years. You might say taking away only a couple of picks would be punishment enough, but it’s not, especially for a team that’s as well-built in the present and drafts as well as the Patriots do.

This isn’t just about the Patriots, either. There are probably similar cases of undiscovered cheating going on around the league every weekend. We’d be naive fools to think otherwise.

Cutting off New England’s head (Belichick) will make everyone stand up and take notice.

It was important for NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to do the right thing with Michael Vick, regardless of his status as a big-name quarterback. He sent a clear message to every NFL player when he suspended Vick indefinitely – behavior that reflects badly on the league will not be tolerated.

If Goodell doesn’t take the same stance with Belichick, he risks alienating hundreds of players league wide. Let Belichick off scott free, and it looks like players are accountable, but coaches aren’t.

Here’s the really disgusting part of this – Belichick isn’t apologetic in the least. In an official statement released on New England’s website, he referred to the blatant stealing of New York’s defensive signals as “a videotaping procedure” and “my interpretation of the rules.” That’s like Pacman Jones describing his illicit nightclub-related activities as “relaxation procedures” and “my interpretation of what I can get away with.”

For Goodell’s sake, I hope the penalty that comes down from the league offices doesn’t scream “double standard.” It’d be a shame, especially after the league took appropriate action with former Vikings head coach Mike Tice during his ticket-scalping scandal. Just because Belichick has won a few Super Bowls is no reason to treat him differently.

In fact, Belichick’s success only gives the league more reason to step in. Patriots owner Robert Kraft isn’t going to do anything, so someone who doesn’t have an emotional and financial investment in Belichick must.

I think it’s time for a “punishment procedure.”

**2112** · 09-13-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cadmonkey

The only reason that Mangini said anything was because he knew it was going on from when he was on the Patriots. Which makes him a piece of shit hypocrite, seeing how he was fine with what was going on when it was helping him but once its on the other side he goes to mommy and daddy and tattles.

He's not a hypocrite if he didn't videotape anything while going 10-6 last year. wasn't mumbles his boss with the Pats? shouldn't mumbles be held responsible for what happens with the Pats?

ROYC75 · 09-13-2007, 10:46 AM

It does raise the question to " How Long Has this Been Going On " ?

NE has been around the top of the NFL for some time..... One would like to think they did it legitimately, but one could also doubt that now too.

Ref : Denver ....... cheat the salary cap for 2 SB wins, HOF player retires , got caught cheating and were fined and punished and but yet they haven't sniffed a SB since.

Does make one wonder a bit.........

el borracho · 09-13-2007, 10:46 AM

Disappointed that "WE GOT CAUGHT" is a pretty good indication that you have no real problem with cheating. You, like the Patriots' organization are completely unapologetic for the breach of ethics.

You also "can't imagine how much actual help this provided come game time." Well, here is a clue: enough help that the Patriots continued to do it even after the leauge warned them not to and even against highly inferior teams like the Jets. If it wasn't very helpful why go to the trouble and why risk the consequences?

ROYC75 · 09-13-2007, 10:48 AM

Denver wasn't after they got caught....... they denied it helped them as well.

BigChiefFan · 09-13-2007, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho

Disappointed that "WE GOT CAUGHT" is a pretty good indication that you have no real problem with cheating. You, like the Patriots' organization are completely unapologetic for the breach of ethics.

You also "can't imagine how much actual help this provided come game time." Well, here is a clue: enough help that the Patriots continued to do it even after the leauge warned them not to and even against highly inferior teams like the Jets. If it wasn't very helpful why go to the trouble and why risk the consequences?

Good post. Some see what they WANT to see.

**KcMizzou** · 09-13-2007, 10:57 AM

"Everybody does it" and "It didn't really help us anyway" are not valid defenses.

If that's the best you've got, you're screwed.

Again... try getting caught cheating at poker and use those explanations. See how that works out for you...

**2112** · 09-13-2007, 11:16 AM

This cartoon made me spit my coffee out of my mouth and up my nose this morning.

**2112** · 09-13-2007, 11:22 AM

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-13-2007, 11:27 AM

What makes the planet great: The most active thread today is dominated by arguing amongst a Jets fan, Pats fans and a (bandwagon Pats and supposed) Bucs fan.

Mr. Laz · 09-13-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Parcells

outstanding!!

BigChiefFan · 09-13-2007, 02:24 PM

Patriots under investigation for following rules, guidelines violations ...
1. Page 105 of the Game Operations manual says: "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." It later says: "All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

2. And, a memo from Ray Anderson, NFL head of football operations, to head coaches and GMs on Sept. 6, 2006 said: "Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

BB cheated.

tk13 · 09-13-2007, 02:37 PM

I feel like we're on an AFC East board now.

I really wasn't THAT appalled by this whole thing in the beginning. But I have to say at this point I'm sick of hearing people defend Belichick. He's a ruthless person, he's always been that way. I thought that way before this garbage ever happened. I don't hate him, but that's who he is. Tough luck. I'm sure he's not the only coach who's tried this. But he is the only one who's been caught, so freaking deal with it. He broke the rules, he has to pay. There's no amount of rationalization that will change that. Everybody wants to make excuses and nobody wants to take responsibility.

I don't care who did what, when, where, or if it never affected a game they played in. It's against the rules, it's a serious offense, and they broke the rule. When you do that, you get punished, and it's nobody's fault but their own. I have no sympathy for anyone involved, players, fans or coaches.

BigChiefFan · 09-13-2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

I feel like we're on an AFC East board now.

I really wasn't THAT appalled by this whole thing in the beginning. But I have to say at this point I'm sick of hearing people defend Belichick. He's a ruthless person, he's always been that way. I thought that way before this garbage ever happened. I don't hate him, but that's who he is. Tough luck. I'm sure he's not the only coach who's tried this. But he is the only one who's been caught, so freaking deal with it. He broke the rules, he has to pay. There's no amount of rationalization that will change that. Everybody wants to make excuses and nobody wants to take responsibility.

I don't care who did what, when, where, or if it never affected a game they played in. It's against the rules, it's a serious offense, and they broke the rule. When you do that, you get punished, and it's nobody's fault but their own. I have no sympathy for anyone involved, players, fans or coaches.

Great post. I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but when people are making excuses for this cheater, then rational thinking must challenge their excuse making.

Mr. Laz · 09-13-2007, 03:27 PM

make the Pats forfeit the game retroactively.

that will stop it

jets are now 1-0 and the pats are 0-1

that will send a strong message

**KcMizzou** · 09-13-2007, 03:33 PM

Petro was asking Brian Waters about this today. I half expected him to sidestep the question, but he really didn't.

He said if it's true, he thinks that "someone at the top" should be suspeneded, as well as the team losing draft pics.

He also said if it could be shown that the outcomes of and games were affected, they should have to forfeit them.

Pretty strong.

09-12-2007, 10:41 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $3240478	Belichick Must Pay http://chiefs.scout.com/2/679048.html When I heard about the outrageous cheating committed by the Patriots this past Sunday, my initial reaction was to call for the league to hit New England where it hurts most: the NFL draft Draft picks are the lifeblood of any successful NFL franchise. You can’t build a competitive team through free agency (as the Washington Redskins continue to prove). The Patriots, Indianapolis Colts and Philadelphia Eagles draft well each year and continue to win. Robbing the Patriots of their entire allotment of picks in next April’s draft would have sent a harsh message – cheating will not be tolerated. But it’s too harsh. It hurts the entire team – the coaches, players and front office personnel – and the entire team wasn’t responsible for what happened on New York’s sideline on Sunday. One man was. Bill Belichick. Belichick should be the one to pay the ultimate price for this transgression. He’s clearly the ringleader. It’s absurd to speculate that any assistant coach conspired with his co-workers to pull this off. New England’s head coach obviously signed off on the deal to steal New York’s signals, and as the man in charge, he should be the one to pay. The NFL should suspend Belichick for the remainder of the 2007 season, without pay. He should be barred from participating with the team in any football-related matter, and all communication concerning coaching matters should be cut off. This heavily penalizes Belichick while taking an appropriate toll on his team. Who knows what advantages they gained against the Jets with Randy Moss running through New York’s pilfered coverages. Without their head coach, the Patriots will be robbed of their leader and key strategist for a suitable time. It’s unfair to take away draft picks. It robs New England’s players of the tools to get the job done on the field next year, and in future years. You might say taking away only a couple of picks would be punishment enough, but it’s not, especially for a team that’s as well-built in the present and drafts as well as the Patriots do. This isn’t just about the Patriots, either. There are probably similar cases of undiscovered cheating going on around the league every weekend. We’d be naive fools to think otherwise. Cutting off New England’s head (Belichick) will make everyone stand up and take notice. It was important for NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to do the right thing with Michael Vick, regardless of his status as a big-name quarterback. He sent a clear message to every NFL player when he suspended Vick indefinitely – behavior that reflects badly on the league will not be tolerated. If Goodell doesn’t take the same stance with Belichick, he risks alienating hundreds of players league wide. Let Belichick off scott free, and it looks like players are accountable, but coaches aren’t. Here’s the really disgusting part of this – Belichick isn’t apologetic in the least. In an official statement released on New England’s website, he referred to the blatant stealing of New York’s defensive signals as “a videotaping procedure” and “my interpretation of the rules.” That’s like Pacman Jones describing his illicit nightclub-related activities as “relaxation procedures” and “my interpretation of what I can get away with.” For Goodell’s sake, I hope the penalty that comes down from the league offices doesn’t scream “double standard.” It’d be a shame, especially after the league took appropriate action with former Vikings head coach Mike Tice during his ticket-scalping scandal. Just because Belichick has won a few Super Bowls is no reason to treat him differently. In fact, Belichick’s success only gives the league more reason to step in. Patriots owner Robert Kraft isn’t going to do anything, so someone who doesn’t have an emotional and financial investment in Belichick must. I think it’s time for a “punishment procedure.”
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09-13-2007, 10:46 AM	#47
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $4332400	It does raise the question to " How Long Has this Been Going On " ? NE has been around the top of the NFL for some time..... One would like to think they did it legitimately, but one could also doubt that now too. Ref : Denver ....... cheat the salary cap for 2 SB wins, HOF player retires , got caught cheating and were fined and punished and but yet they haven't sniffed a SB since. Does make one wonder a bit......... __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $4929148	Disappointed that "WE GOT CAUGHT" is a pretty good indication that you have no real problem with cheating. You, like the Patriots' organization are completely unapologetic for the breach of ethics. You also "can't imagine how much actual help this provided come game time." Well, here is a clue: enough help that the Patriots continued to do it even after the leauge warned them not to and even against highly inferior teams like the Jets. If it wasn't very helpful why go to the trouble and why risk the consequences?
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ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $4332400	Denver wasn't after they got caught....... they denied it helped them as well. __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	Patriots under investigation for following rules, guidelines violations ... 1. Page 105 of the Game Operations manual says: "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." It later says: "All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead." 2. And, a memo from Ray Anderson, NFL head of football operations, to head coaches and GMs on Sept. 6, 2006 said: "Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game." BB cheated. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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09-13-2007, 02:37 PM	#57
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $542500	I feel like we're on an AFC East board now. I really wasn't THAT appalled by this whole thing in the beginning. But I have to say at this point I'm sick of hearing people defend Belichick. He's a ruthless person, he's always been that way. I thought that way before this garbage ever happened. I don't hate him, but that's who he is. Tough luck. I'm sure he's not the only coach who's tried this. But he is the only one who's been caught, so freaking deal with it. He broke the rules, he has to pay. There's no amount of rationalization that will change that. Everybody wants to make excuses and nobody wants to take responsibility. I don't care who did what, when, where, or if it never affected a game they played in. It's against the rules, it's a serious offense, and they broke the rule. When you do that, you get punished, and it's nobody's fault but their own. I have no sympathy for anyone involved, players, fans or coaches.
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09-13-2007, 03:27 PM	#59
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09-13-2007, 03:33 PM	#60
KcMizzou Supporter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Parkville MO Casino cash: $10005170	Petro was asking Brian Waters about this today. I half expected him to sidestep the question, but he really didn't. He said if it's true, he thinks that "someone at the top" should be suspeneded, as well as the team losing draft pics. He also said if it could be shown that the outcomes of and games were affected, they should have to forfeit them. Pretty strong.
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