Will Grbac succeed or fail in Baltimore?... - Page 4

Chiefs Pantalones · 07-19-2001, 10:07 PM

Just curious as to what everyone thinks...

Why will he or won't he succeed, will he win over the fans, will he give Bmore back to back Championships, etc?

CG

and if no one wants to discuss this, thats fine. If you guys feel this has been beaten into the ground, I'll delete this topic, if ya'll want me too.:D

I'm a nice guy:p

LoudMouth · 07-20-2001, 02:25 PM

Okay, now I can say that is might be an honor to be called Packfans illegitimate brother! Let people think that I am Packfan, at least it will keep them guessing.

Stryker · 07-20-2001, 02:55 PM

[B]Will Grbac succeed or fail in Baltimore?... [/B]

Who cares!?! :p

He probably will be successful only because he is a much better QB then Dilfer but then again, he is a Raven so [B]Who cares![/B]

Packfan · 07-20-2001, 02:58 PM

Loudmouth,

Grbac basically left on his own. He made obscene contract demands forcing Peterson to cut him. Carl wanted him back! You read where some of the guys on here claim that its all planned out: Trade for Vermeil and then Vermeil goes and gets the QB he wants in Trent Green. REALITY is that Peterson and Vermeil wanted to keep Grbac. Remember all the quotes from Vermeil on how great Elvis is?? If Peterson didnt want him, he would have cut him long before the March 1 deadline and signed some other journeyman instead of bending over and taking one from the Rams.

So the move your applauding Carl for is a move he really didnt want to make.

BTW, I am on record (just ask Titus) that the Baltimore Ravens do NOT win a playoff game this year, keeping Grbac's streak alive (7 year vet, no playoff wins). The guy is a loser. Has everything physically, but seriously lacks the mental toughness and the heart that a winner requires.

Dakota Chief · 07-20-2001, 03:03 PM

After watching this "RUM-HEAD" the last several years, I know he'll find a way to lose the big game. Just as we observed here. His new and more pressing problem is that his defense (R. Lewis etal) will probably take him out back and shoot him, as a result of his mental errors.:cool:

MrBlond · 07-20-2001, 03:10 PM

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07-20-2001, 03:11 PM

Pack,
I actually agree with the last line of your post. Grbac has the physical tools to be a great QB, but he lacks the mental toughness, Intestinal fortitude and physical toughness to live up to expectations. Some people thrive under pressure and some choke. While the Elvi was here, i supported him because he was the QB of the Chiefs and for that reason only. I was pissed about the way he left. He was looking for a fat payday. Yes he had a good statistical year, but he chose to take his ball and look for the payday....I hope he strains a labia in week one and sits on the bench until week 8 nursing it.

CP has made some desperation moves. I don't think anyone disputes that. Moves like bringing in Perriman, Carlton Gray, elliot, the barefoot blunder, etc...have all been bad moves. However Hind site is 20-20...You also have to give him credit. He has found some gems in the rubble as well, with my best current example being Hicks.

I just don't think it does any good to harp on the turds when we can look for the diamonds. I don't agree with every move the Chiefs make, but I have no choice but to tollerate them and hope for the best.

Carl isn't responsible for soft zones, play calling, and playing "not to lose" at the end of games.

~enough already.

Packfan · 07-20-2001, 03:18 PM

Iowonia,

Agreed about Carl. Hicks is a great pickup, ditto for Shields, Grunhard, Szott, Dale Carter, DT, Derrick Alexander, Rison (for a year), Gonzalez, ect. He has made some great moves. HOWEVER: MOST GMs get fired with the recent record Carl has had. Plus, it doesnt look promising for the Chiefs anytime soon. One would think that the departure of Marty was the time to rebuild from Carl on down.

Carl isnt responsible for play calling, soft zones, ect, but coaches decide on what plays to call based on ability. It is my opinion that Carl Peterson hasnt provided the coaches with the necessary talent to move ahead of .500. Bam Morris?? Steve Bono?? Elvis Grbac?? Lew Bush?? Carlton Gray?? These are just a few of the stiffs that didnt do squat before they got here, but for some reason, Chief fans expect them to be hall of famers when they get here? Then blast the coaches when they are not.

Either Carl Peterson has a lot of Chief fans snowed or we have some of the dumbest fans in the league.

milkman · 07-20-2001, 04:50 PM

Pac,
First, I am not here to defend CP.
I still don't understand why he stll has a job.
However, when it comes to the Chiefs record in the playoffs, the responsibilty for that lands on Marty's shoulders.

Com'on, whether or not CP provided enough talent for the Chiefs to get to the SB is a debate for another thread, a debate I would fall on yor side on, but he did provide enough talent to beat the Colts in '95. A couple of other wins were there for Marty, but he couldn't do it.

Why couldn't he do it?
Because he's afraid of losing?
Billick went to the SB with a similiar team to Marty's. Why was he able to do it?
Because he's [B]not[/B] afraid of losing.

As a prime example, the TD pass to Sharpe, deep in their own territory, 3rd and long, with a QB that is primarily asked to not lose games.
Would Marty have made that call in the same circumstance?
Not a snowball's chance in hell, because he's afraid of losing.
Billick took the risk, because he's not afraid of losing.

Cannibal · 07-20-2001, 05:03 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Gaz [/i]
[B]Grbac will be fine. The Ravens will not ask him to win games; they will just ask him not to screw up. The pressure that he had in KC will not be there in Baltimore. [/B][/QUOTE]

First of all, for most of her career in KC all we did was ask her not to screw up. But she did... all the time.

Also, the pressure on Girlbac in B-more will be a hundred times higher than it was here in KC. They are the defending SB champs, the only thing they changed was adding Girlbac and Leon Searcy [which is an upgrade]. Girlbac actually has a better team than Dilfer did with the addition of Searcy. If they don't win the Superbowl it will be all Girlbac's fault [right or wrong] that is how it will be.

The eyes of all football fan's [millions] in the country will be on Girlbac every week to see if she screws the SB champs out of a repeat.

She has an infinite amount of pressure to deal with in B-more.

Cannibal · 07-20-2001, 05:12 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by milkman [/i]
[B]Billick went to the SB with a similiar team to Marty's. Why was he able to do it?[/B][/QUOTE]

Wrong...

Billick has the best defense in [b]NFL history[/b] at his disposal. Not to mention an excellent probowl caliber RB, [who's not ready to retire].

That's not a very good comparison.

milkman · 07-20-2001, 05:21 PM

Cannibal,
When I say that the teams were similiar, I'm not saying that the Chiefs were a SB quality team, but they did play similiar styles.
Win with defense, ask the offense to minimize mistakes.
What I'm getting at is, despite the Chiefs lack of talent offensively, they did have enough talent to win against teams like the Colts, if they would have at least taken some risks on offense.
Billick took risks.
Marty never did.

Cannibal · 07-20-2001, 05:25 PM

I disagree.

Lin Elliot has to make field goals. He had three shots and missed them all.

Elliot sucked arse in Dallas, and sucked all year in 95 for KC. Bono was a career backup.

That is a lack of talent and I didn't even mention the other skill positions.

Blame it Marty all you like if it makes you feel better. But he's been gone for three years and we still have the same problems we did while he was here.

Fat Elvis · 07-20-2001, 05:28 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dakota Chief [/i]
[B]After watching this "RUM-HEAD" the last several years, I know he'll find a way to lose the big game. Just as we observed here. His new and more pressing problem is that his defense (R. Lewis etal) will probably take him out back and shoot him, as a result of his mental errors.:cool: [/B][/QUOTE]

Dakota Chief, I think your post is entirely inappropriate saying that Ray Lewis, et al will take Grbac out back and shoot him.

We all know Ray Lewis prefers to stab his victims in the parking lot.

milkman · 07-20-2001, 05:34 PM

"Lin Elliot has to make field goals. He had three chances and missed them all"

That goes to my point about Marty and risks. As soon as the Chiefs got into FG range, Marty's whole plan was to position the ball for the FG atempt. He wasn't trying to get first downs and continue drives, and ultimately to score TDs, so much as he was trying to give his kicker the best opportunity to make FGs.
A losing strategy, especially with Elliot, who's shortcomings you've already pointed ot.

Cannibal · 07-20-2001, 05:43 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by milkman [/i]
[B]He wasn't trying to get first downs and continue drives, and ultimately to score TDs, so much as he was trying to give his kicker the best opportunity to make FGs.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Actually you're wrong again.

He did try to score, but everytime we tried Steve Bono threw to the other team.

No coach could have won the Superbowl with that team. I am sorry if you feel differently, but I'd bet my life on it.

The talent was lacking. Marty's conservative approach is what got them there in the first place. If they had taken more risks I assure you they would not have went 13-3. They were lucky to go 13-3 in the first place. They won like 5 games on the last couple of plays that year.

The strongest part by far on that team was the O-line. O-lines don't win championships, they never have and never will. [And don't try telling me Dallas' O-line won those superbowls. While I agree that they were a major contributor, they also had three hall of famers at the big 3 positions.]

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07-20-2001, 02:58 PM	#48
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Loudmouth, Grbac basically left on his own. He made obscene contract demands forcing Peterson to cut him. Carl wanted him back! You read where some of the guys on here claim that its all planned out: Trade for Vermeil and then Vermeil goes and gets the QB he wants in Trent Green. REALITY is that Peterson and Vermeil wanted to keep Grbac. Remember all the quotes from Vermeil on how great Elvis is?? If Peterson didnt want him, he would have cut him long before the March 1 deadline and signed some other journeyman instead of bending over and taking one from the Rams. So the move your applauding Carl for is a move he really didnt want to make. BTW, I am on record (just ask Titus) that the Baltimore Ravens do NOT win a playoff game this year, keeping Grbac's streak alive (7 year vet, no playoff wins). The guy is a loser. Has everything physically, but seriously lacks the mental toughness and the heart that a winner requires. __________________ Ken Dienberg
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07-20-2001, 03:03 PM	#49
Dakota Chief Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sioux Falls, SD, USA Casino cash: $10004900	After watching this "RUM-HEAD" the last several years, I know he'll find a way to lose the big game. Just as we observed here. His new and more pressing problem is that his defense (R. Lewis etal) will probably take him out back and shoot him, as a result of his mental errors.:cool:
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07-20-2001, 03:10 PM	#50
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07-20-2001, 03:11 PM	#51
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	Pack, I actually agree with the last line of your post. Grbac has the physical tools to be a great QB, but he lacks the mental toughness, Intestinal fortitude and physical toughness to live up to expectations. Some people thrive under pressure and some choke. While the Elvi was here, i supported him because he was the QB of the Chiefs and for that reason only. I was pissed about the way he left. He was looking for a fat payday. Yes he had a good statistical year, but he chose to take his ball and look for the payday....I hope he strains a labia in week one and sits on the bench until week 8 nursing it. CP has made some desperation moves. I don't think anyone disputes that. Moves like bringing in Perriman, Carlton Gray, elliot, the barefoot blunder, etc...have all been bad moves. However Hind site is 20-20...You also have to give him credit. He has found some gems in the rubble as well, with my best current example being Hicks. I just don't think it does any good to harp on the turds when we can look for the diamonds. I don't agree with every move the Chiefs make, but I have no choice but to tollerate them and hope for the best. Carl isn't responsible for soft zones, play calling, and playing "not to lose" at the end of games. ~enough already.
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07-20-2001, 03:18 PM	#52
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Iowonia, Agreed about Carl. Hicks is a great pickup, ditto for Shields, Grunhard, Szott, Dale Carter, DT, Derrick Alexander, Rison (for a year), Gonzalez, ect. He has made some great moves. HOWEVER: MOST GMs get fired with the recent record Carl has had. Plus, it doesnt look promising for the Chiefs anytime soon. One would think that the departure of Marty was the time to rebuild from Carl on down. Carl isnt responsible for play calling, soft zones, ect, but coaches decide on what plays to call based on ability. It is my opinion that Carl Peterson hasnt provided the coaches with the necessary talent to move ahead of .500. Bam Morris?? Steve Bono?? Elvis Grbac?? Lew Bush?? Carlton Gray?? These are just a few of the stiffs that didnt do squat before they got here, but for some reason, Chief fans expect them to be hall of famers when they get here? Then blast the coaches when they are not. Either Carl Peterson has a lot of Chief fans snowed or we have some of the dumbest fans in the league. __________________ Ken Dienberg
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07-20-2001, 04:50 PM	#53
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Pac, First, I am not here to defend CP. I still don't understand why he stll has a job. However, when it comes to the Chiefs record in the playoffs, the responsibilty for that lands on Marty's shoulders. Com'on, whether or not CP provided enough talent for the Chiefs to get to the SB is a debate for another thread, a debate I would fall on yor side on, but he did provide enough talent to beat the Colts in '95. A couple of other wins were there for Marty, but he couldn't do it. Why couldn't he do it? Because he's afraid of losing? Billick went to the SB with a similiar team to Marty's. Why was he able to do it? Because he's [B]not[/B] afraid of losing. As a prime example, the TD pass to Sharpe, deep in their own territory, 3rd and long, with a QB that is primarily asked to not lose games. Would Marty have made that call in the same circumstance? Not a snowball's chance in hell, because he's afraid of losing. Billick took the risk, because he's not afraid of losing. __________________
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07-20-2001, 05:03 PM	#54
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Re: Succeed. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Gaz [/i] [B]Grbac will be fine. The Ravens will not ask him to win games; they will just ask him not to screw up. The pressure that he had in KC will not be there in Baltimore. [/B][/QUOTE] First of all, for most of her career in KC all we did was ask her not to screw up. But she did... all the time. Also, the pressure on Girlbac in B-more will be a hundred times higher than it was here in KC. They are the defending SB champs, the only thing they changed was adding Girlbac and Leon Searcy [which is an upgrade]. Girlbac actually has a better team than Dilfer did with the addition of Searcy. If they don't win the Superbowl it will be all Girlbac's fault [right or wrong] that is how it will be. The eyes of all football fan's [millions] in the country will be on Girlbac every week to see if she screws the SB champs out of a repeat. She has an infinite amount of pressure to deal with in B-more.
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07-20-2001, 05:12 PM	#55
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by milkman [/i] [B]Billick went to the SB with a similiar team to Marty's. Why was he able to do it?[/B][/QUOTE] Wrong... Billick has the best defense in [b]NFL history[/b] at his disposal. Not to mention an excellent probowl caliber RB, [who's not ready to retire]. That's not a very good comparison.
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07-20-2001, 05:21 PM	#56
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Cannibal, When I say that the teams were similiar, I'm not saying that the Chiefs were a SB quality team, but they did play similiar styles. Win with defense, ask the offense to minimize mistakes. What I'm getting at is, despite the Chiefs lack of talent offensively, they did have enough talent to win against teams like the Colts, if they would have at least taken some risks on offense. Billick took risks. Marty never did. __________________
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07-20-2001, 05:25 PM	#57
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	I disagree. Lin Elliot has to make field goals. He had three shots and missed them all. Elliot sucked arse in Dallas, and sucked all year in 95 for KC. Bono was a career backup. That is a lack of talent and I didn't even mention the other skill positions. Blame it Marty all you like if it makes you feel better. But he's been gone for three years and we still have the same problems we did while he was here.
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07-20-2001, 05:28 PM	#58
Fat Elvis Sexiest Athlete Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $-2048075	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dakota Chief [/i] [B]After watching this "RUM-HEAD" the last several years, I know he'll find a way to lose the big game. Just as we observed here. His new and more pressing problem is that his defense (R. Lewis etal) will probably take him out back and shoot him, as a result of his mental errors.:cool: [/B][/QUOTE] Dakota Chief, I think your post is entirely inappropriate saying that Ray Lewis, et al will take Grbac out back and shoot him. We all know Ray Lewis prefers to stab his victims in the parking lot.
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07-20-2001, 05:34 PM	#59
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	"Lin Elliot has to make field goals. He had three chances and missed them all" That goes to my point about Marty and risks. As soon as the Chiefs got into FG range, Marty's whole plan was to position the ball for the FG atempt. He wasn't trying to get first downs and continue drives, and ultimately to score TDs, so much as he was trying to give his kicker the best opportunity to make FGs. A losing strategy, especially with Elliot, who's shortcomings you've already pointed ot. __________________
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07-20-2001, 05:43 PM	#60
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by milkman [/i] [B]He wasn't trying to get first downs and continue drives, and ultimately to score TDs, so much as he was trying to give his kicker the best opportunity to make FGs. [/B][/QUOTE] Actually you're wrong again. He did try to score, but everytime we tried Steve Bono threw to the other team. No coach could have won the Superbowl with that team. I am sorry if you feel differently, but I'd bet my life on it. The talent was lacking. Marty's conservative approach is what got them there in the first place. If they had taken more risks I assure you they would not have went 13-3. They were lucky to go 13-3 in the first place. They won like 5 games on the last couple of plays that year. The strongest part by far on that team was the O-line. O-lines don't win championships, they never have and never will. [And don't try telling me Dallas' O-line won those superbowls. While I agree that they were a major contributor, they also had three hall of famers at the big 3 positions.]
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