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Old 12-17-2007, 11:14 AM  
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Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time
After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this.

Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures:

Tom Bettis - 1977
Frank Gansz - 1987-1988
Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000
Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977
John Mackovic - 1983-1986

Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past.

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Old 12-17-2007, 01:10 PM   #46
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This team sucks because our General Manager has neglected the roster since the Vermeil era. It doesn't suck because of Herm.
Uh...no. It sucks because of the GM, players AND Herm. Nobody gets a free pass on the suck-train.

Great coaches can coach mediocre talent into over-performing and can work around bad management decisions to a decent record. Our record indicates all facets are wheels off.
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Old 12-17-2007, 01:19 PM   #47
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I don't even want Cowher here, honestly. He reeks of the Marty/Herm school. And he wouldn't have the super bowl ring either, except for the most poorly officiated game in super bowl history.
Even though the refs gave the SB to Pittsburgh, you have to give it up for the fact that Cowher got the Steelers to the SB twice, something that will never happen under Herm.
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Old 12-17-2007, 01:24 PM   #48
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Could someone give me ONE LEGITIMATE REASON why Bill Cowher would take a job here?

He left one of the best jobs in the NFL, fresh off a SB win, to be closer to his family.

One reason?
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Old 12-17-2007, 01:27 PM   #49
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Even though the refs gave the SB to Pittsburgh, you have to give it up for the fact that Cowher got the Steelers to the SB twice, something that will never happen under Herm.
There have been few years in that span where we've had the talent they have.

The Steeler teams usually have balance, which is what we have never had in Carl's entire tenure.

Cowher is an average head coach, just like Herm is. With superior talent they have a chance. Without talent they have no chance.
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Old 12-17-2007, 01:33 PM   #50
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**** Herm! He shouldn't have gotten the two years he already has. Chris Terry can help him with his move. See ya!
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Old 12-17-2007, 01:39 PM   #51
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You know why the Colts win and why Dungy could never win in Tampa, Peyton Manning. You wanna play that the Chiefs are gonna get Manning? Also they have a GM that told Dungy he wasn't allowed to change the offense...

Also when Dungy in the past tried to pull typical Dungy moves Manning would overrule him. So until we get a QB with enough sack and enough stroke to tell the coach to suck it, we won't win.
Pretty much nothing in this post is true.
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Old 12-17-2007, 02:02 PM   #52
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Pretty much nothing in this post is true.
Manning runs that offense. Manning has also overruled Dungy before. In fact, I think it happened in a KC game where Dungy called a FG and Manning ordered them off the field.
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Old 12-17-2007, 02:12 PM   #53
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What??? Please show me the proof of that.

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Old 12-17-2007, 02:14 PM   #54
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Manning runs that offense. Manning has also overruled Dungy before. In fact, I think it happened in a KC game where Dungy called a FG and Manning ordered them off the field.
If Manning "overruled" Dungy, it's because Dungy allowed him to. The idea that Dungy doesn't run that team exactly the way he wants to is disrespectful and dumb. The idea that a GM told Dungy "hands off the offense" is equally dumb. Like Dungy is so stupid that he'd handcuff Peyton Manning.
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Old 12-17-2007, 02:45 PM   #55
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KC is perfect for a guy who wants to be in total charge (Assuming CP is executed along with Herm) and wants to show the world he can turn chicken shit into Chicken salad.

While taking over the Patriots might appeal to you, some people enjoy the challenge of building something that will knock off #1.

And the Chiefs are not that far away once the CP on down is replaced.

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I agree, Dave. Some coaches would embrace the challenges of rebuilding a franchise.

I just don't think Cowher is one of them.

I just think this job appeals more to a younger guy, with the motivation, energy and desire to BUILD a winner. Something he can put on his resume and be known for.
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Old 12-17-2007, 02:48 PM   #56
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If Manning "overruled" Dungy, it's because Dungy allowed him to. The idea that Dungy doesn't run that team exactly the way he wants to is disrespectful and dumb. The idea that a GM told Dungy "hands off the offense" is equally dumb. Like Dungy is so stupid that he'd handcuff Peyton Manning.
Yeah... this line of thinking is just beyond dumb. Somebody somewhere started this whole "Peyton Manning is the OC of the Colts, and not even the head coach tells him what to run". And it's been snowballing ever since.
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Old 12-17-2007, 03:24 PM   #57
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When he was hired it was part of the job, that he wasn't to mess with the offense just the defense....he also doesn't have a ton of say in players..

You really think Dungy is calling stuff over Polian...I don't think Dungy would have taken Anthony Gonzalez first if it was his call.
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Old 12-17-2007, 03:25 PM   #58
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Herm needs more time because he has a lot of bags to pack...
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Old 12-17-2007, 03:28 PM   #59
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Personally, I'm enjoying this year's Christmas more than most. I have no false hope built up inside. No anxiety. I havn't slapped the shit out of my wife since we were .500%

Seriously, lets keep Hermy, Carl, and the rest of the losers and see how BAD it can actually get. Wouldn't you all rather have years like this than go 8-8?

So, I say keep the in the front office for a few more years. We are so far away from a championship it wont matter anyway.
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Old 12-17-2007, 03:29 PM   #60
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