Gholston = Merri man

[Mr. Laz]

without the roids?

Name: *Vernon Gholston
College: Ohio State Number: 50
Height: 6-4 Weight: 258
Position: DE Pos2: OLB
Class/Draft Year: rJr/2008
40 Time: 4.64
bench press - 37
Vertical - 35 1/2
Broad - 10'4"


Name: *Shawne Merri man
College: Maryland Number: 45
Height: 6-4 Weight: 272
Position: DE Pos2: ILB
Class/Draft Year: Jr/2005
40 Time: 4.68

Combine Results		Pro Day Results
Combine Invite? Yes Height: 6043 Weight: 272 40 Yrd Dash: 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash: Wonderlic: 19	225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25 Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill:	Dates: 03/16/2005 Height: 6043 Weight: 272 40 Yrd Dash: 4.64 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash:	225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: 40 Broad Jump: 10'1" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.21 3-Cone Drill:

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by TRR

I understand that. But that was two years ago. I think everyone should be fairly familiar with Hali's game...And there is no way he should play a snap at DT.

Not right now, no. But if there was a speed rusher coming on that same side, it changes everything. Having Allen, Hali, and Gholston on the field at the same time opens up several unique zone blitz opportunities...

[TRR]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Expecting Donnie Edwards to play at a high level NEXT year is somewhat risky, let alone the next several. Guys at his age can break down suddenly and rapidly.

The way Edwards takes care of himself....I can't see that happening. year from year, you don't know. But he hasn't lost a single step.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by TRR

Now that's just dumb. You can't possibly compare a player like Glen Dorsey or Jake Long to Ryan Sims.

Dumb point...

Of course not. But is that really what's being advocated? Assume Dorsey and Long are both gone, then what? Trade down instead of taking a guy like Gholston? I don't think so.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Again, Hali can MOVE to the INSIDE, but just in case you think Gholston doesn't have coverage skills, here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lzbj...eature=related

Sorry, but an INT on a pass that bounces off the hands of a Bowling Green receiver isn't the best proof of coverage skills.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by TRR

The way Edwards takes care of himself....I can't see that happening. year from year, you don't know. But he hasn't lost a single step.

He could play for 3 or 4 more years. Or he could decide tomorrow that he's not gonna take the punishment anymore. You just can't count on production from guys his age. When they give it, you thank them for it. But you can't expect it.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Drafting for need gets you Ryan Sims.

Sims was universally rated as a top DT. Almost everyone had him and Henderson as the #1 and #2 DTs; just like Ellis and Dorsey this year.

[TRR]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course not. But is that really what's being advocated? Assume Dorsey and Long are both gone, then what? Trade down instead of taking a guy like Gholston? I don't think so.

It all depends on what KC can get by trading down. Also, it depends on what you think of a player like Sedrick Ellis or even Matt Ryan. Ellis definitely is more of a need, and depending on Croyle, Ryan could be the answer.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by TRR

OLB isn't a need for KC at #5. Offensive Tackle and Defensive Tackle are needs at #5. Derrick Johnson and Donnie Edwards could play at a very high level for the next several years. It just doesn't make sense.

Donnie Edwards couldn't even play at a high level last year and you expect him to kick ass for several more? We should have never even re-signed Donnie, that said, you're looking at Gholston all wrong, you can line him up anywhere and blitz the QB on every down. He's not a situational player-think a stronger Terrell Suggs who plays the run better. I honestly think the D.T. comparasions are very accurate or Lawrence Taylor. Could we make room for a D.T. clone on our roster? You tell me.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by TRR

It all depends on what KC can get by trading down. Also, it depends on what you think of a player like Sedrick Ellis or even Matt Ryan. Ellis definitely is more of a need, and depending on Croyle, Ryan could be the answer.

Matt Ryan sucks as a top 5 pick. If we draft him at 5 overall, consider me for putting us down for 4-12 again. The Falcons will either take McFadden or TRADE DOWN for Matt Ryan.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by TRR

It all depends on what KC can get by trading down. Also, it depends on what you think of a player like Sedrick Ellis or even Matt Ryan. Ellis definitely is more of a need, and depending on Croyle, Ryan could be the answer.

This is only my opinion, but I think this draft is VERY top-heavy.

For me, it's not about what KC can get by trading down, it's about what they CAN'T get.

One of the 6 or 7 elite players in this draft.

[TRR]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Donnie Edwards couldn't even play at a high level last year and you expect him to kick ass for several more? We should have never even re-signed Donnie, that said, you're looking at Gholston all wrong, you can line him up anywhere and blitz the QB on every down. He's not a situational player-think a stronger Terrell Suggs who plays the run better. I honestly think the D.T. comparasions are very accurate or Lawrence Taylor. Could we make room for a D.T. clone on our roster? You tell me.

Are you serious? Donnie Edwards had 106 tackles last season with 2 sacks, a fumble force, and an INT. He played very well last season.

I'm looking at Gholston for what he is...A tweaner that hasn't been asked to be in coverage much (which is exactly what he will be doing all the time in Gun's scheme), and ANOTHER DE that will command top dollar when we already have two that command enough money.

No thank you...

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Sorry, but an INT on a pass that bounces off the hands of a Bowling Green receiver isn't the best proof of coverage skills.

It CLEARLY shows that he LINES UP TO PLAY PASS COVERAGE-some don't act like he can so I provided the link showing something to the contrary.

Forget the INT., the point I'm making is he's a versatile player, who excels at pass coverage AND getting to the QB. The guy can do it all.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by TRR

Are you serious? Donnie Edwards had 106 tackles last season with 2 sacks, a fumble force, and an INT. He played very well last season.

I'm looking at Gholston for what he is...A tweaner that hasn't been asked to be in coverage much (which is exactly what he will be doing all the time in Gun's scheme), and ANOTHER DE that will command top dollar when we already have two that command enough money.

No thank you...

Gholston isn't a tweener at all. He's a DE. A bit undersized, but a pure DE.

And dollars shouldn't ever be an issue. It wasn't for the Giants...

[TRR]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Gholston isn't a tweener at all. He's a DE. A bit undersized, but a pure DE.

And dollars shouldn't ever be an issue. It wasn't for the Giants...

You keep bringing up the Giants...But the fact of the matter is, the Giants weren't in a rebuilding mode when they decided to do that. They didn't need 3 offensive lineman, a stud DT, a starting CB, or a WR. You can't draft ANOTHER DE WHEN DE IS NOT AN ISSUE.

We will just agree to disagree. All I know is that I am glad your not making any draft decisions on April 26th.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Sims was universally rated as a top DT. Almost everyone had him and Henderson as the #1 and #2 DTs; just like Ellis and Dorsey this year.

Yes, but he wasn't rated as a top six player. Bryant McKinnie was and now look at the two. That's my point when you draft for need you are more apt to picking a bust. ALWAYS draft the best player available unless you are stockpiled with quality depth-we clearly aren't.
WE could have had Bryant McKinnie all these years and had a great LT of the future, but now we have a defunct DT playing in a completely different city playing for what's probably his last shot in the NFL. See the difference?