Does nobody care that Bill Kuharich was on with Soren Petro today? - Page 4

htismaqe · 02-28-2008, 03:04 PM

I thought it was very interesting some of the things he said.

He said the draft was VERY deep this year, especially at CB and OT, and he thought that unlike some years sure-fire starters could go VERY late. In fact, in reference to CB's, he said if the "run" didn't start until the late 1st round, there might be starting-caliber CB's available in the FOURTH round.

He also said, in so many words, that at DT there was Dorsey and Ellis and then everybody else. He said the gap between Jake Long and the next tier was alot less drastic than the gap between Dorsey and Ellis and the next tier.

BigChiefFan · 02-28-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Taking the BPA is stupid if you already have that hole filled on your team with an already younger established player, such as our DE's Allen and Hali.

In this case it would be reeruned for the Chiefs to draft Virginia DE Chris Long because you're spending a first round top 5 pick on someone that will rotate in and out of DE, and yes I know DE's rotate all the time in this system, but there is absolutely no reason not to pick Jake Long if he's available at our pick. He's a top 5 player in this whole draft, and he fills a void at our biggest need. If the BPA is an area of need, then you have to draft him, if not trade down. The first day picks are ALL picks that should have at least a great chance of becoming starters on your team. BPA is for the Chiefs 2nd day picks IMO.

Lilja and Flozell Adams are off the market. Both re-signed with their teams.

Ultra Peanut · 02-28-2008, 09:31 PM

Dorsey or Ellis will have me jumping for joy. Long isn't going to piss me off, but if we go QB I pray we drop down to Brohm-land instead of settling on Ryan.

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**Rausch** · 02-28-2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Nonsense. Jared may not be here much longer, and Hali doesn't seem to be an explosive player. The key to the draft is to try to upgrade, regardless of what position. The draft is not about "filling holes".

True.

But at the same time we don't want to be the Tardinals or Lions drafting a WR almost every year.

We've been chasing the dragon at DT since...Hell, forever.

We've got squat on the Offensive line, one valid WR, and one valid CB.

I think we should take a guy who's going to start full time or trade down to get enough picks to fill as many holes as possible.

On top of that Hali is too early in his contract and produced too little to trade.

Eleazar · 02-28-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

It will be glorious.

And really, can we botch the fifth pick overall? Surely they're not dumb enough to take Clady or Otah, right?

I predict this will get bumped in a few weeks.

Mecca · 02-28-2008, 09:50 PM

There's a big difference in a team talking about specific players and a guy saying "There is depth at these positions" when anyone that knows anything about the draft knows that already, several of us said that...

I think what he said was a round about way of saying "If we take a DT first we are pretty certain we can still get an OT and CB that start, where if we take an OT first we won't get as many players"

I wonder what all the people that argued with us will say considering how many times a few of us made this exact point.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-28-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There's a big difference in a team talking about specific players and a guy saying "There is depth at these positions" when anyone that knows anything about the draft knows that already, several of us said that...

I think what he said was a round about way of saying "If we take a DT first we are pretty certain we can still get an OT and CB that start, where if we take an OT first we won't get as many players"

I wonder what all the people that argued with us will say considering how many times a few of us made this exact point.

They'll continue to argue.....

Just like the argument that Gholston would be a backup or situational player.

CoMoChief · 02-29-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Nonsense. Jared may not be here much longer, and Hali doesn't seem to be an explosive player. The key to the draft is to try to upgrade, regardless of what position. The draft is not about "filling holes".

tell the New England Patriots that.

ceebz · 02-29-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lj4mvp

Ellis is the guy I think they're locking in on. JMO at this point, could change.

Totally agree. Unless both Dorsey and Ellis go in the first four picks, one of them will be wearing red.

**the Talking Can** · 02-29-2008, 09:43 AM

Herm understands that you build D front-to-back...and also that strong D's are strong in the middle (usually, the Giants are an exception it seems)

we are weak at DT and MLB and have been for a damn decade....Ellis/Dorsey solve that problem...and I think Herm knows it....

nychief · 02-29-2008, 09:45 AM

Don't forget we will have the number one overall next year...

htismaqe · 02-29-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think what he said was a round about way of saying "If we take a DT first we are pretty certain we can still get an OT and CB that start, where if we take an OT first we won't get as many players".

There really wasn't any "round about" about it.

He said that there were really only 2 sure-fire starting DT's in this draft. He even specifically compared the lack of depth at the DT position to the presence of depth at OT.

And he said that if the run on CB's should start late (aka 2nd round) that starting-caliber CB's might be available as late as the FOURTH...

beach tribe · 02-29-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

There really wasn't any "round about" about it.

He said that there were really only 2 sure-fire starting DT's in this draft. He even specifically compared the lack of depth at the DT position to the presence of depth at OT.

And he said that if the run on CB's should start late (aka 2nd round) that starting-caliber CB's might be available as late as the FOURTH...

If jake is on the board he will be a Chief.

I will be thrilled if we get Ellis/Dorsey, BUT if I really wanted J.Long I would be saying the same things he did, to sell the other teams on the two DTs, and OT depth, in essence increasing the chances of landing him.

Mecca · 02-29-2008, 11:14 AM

I don't think that's really selling, what he said is honest and anyone who follows the draft knows that.

beach tribe · 02-29-2008, 11:14 AM

Also selling the depth at CB so that maybe some teams hold off on the top guys. S M O K E.

beach tribe · 02-29-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't think that's really selling, what he said is honest and anyone who follows the draft knows that.

"Hey everybody this is exactly how we see it."

Truth, and honesty aren't always the same thing.

02-28-2008, 03:04 PM
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	There's a big difference in a team talking about specific players and a guy saying "There is depth at these positions" when anyone that knows anything about the draft knows that already, several of us said that... I think what he said was a round about way of saying "If we take a DT first we are pretty certain we can still get an OT and CB that start, where if we take an OT first we won't get as many players" I wonder what all the people that argued with us will say considering how many times a few of us made this exact point.
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02-29-2008, 11:14 AM	#58
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	I don't think that's really selling, what he said is honest and anyone who follows the draft knows that.
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02-29-2008, 11:14 AM	#59
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3868036	Also selling the depth at CB so that maybe some teams hold off on the top guys. S M O K E.
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