I think women going to college should carry guns

[Chiefmanwillcatch]

The girl who was abducted from her dorm. The hitchhiker who wasn't a college girl but was on a walk by herself.

Now these two coed hatecrime murders.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Zeke Ziggle

I could be wrong but my natural reaction to almost all gun crimes and especially ones like V-tech is that there should be tighter gun control not people getting more guns. Arming more people won't lead to less gun crimes. But will lead to more gun injury/deaths.

Why don't these nutjobs shoot up police stations? Because they know everybody in the police station will be ARMED.

If a nutjob wants to shoot up a building, and Building A has an armed guard in front, and Building B doesn't, the nutjob will shoot up Building B. Sucks if you're in Building B. But the nutjob went where the obvious armed resistance wasn't.

However, if conceal/carry laws are in effect, the nutjob won't know who is/isn't armed. Instead of a building full of easy targets, the nutjob won't know who'll cower in fear and who'll pull out a .357 and put a couple of rounds through his fucking head.

History has shown these people to be complete cowards. Take away the easy kill and you will go a long way towards eleviating the problem.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

You did. You didn’t mention a word about the people pulling the trigger, just that guns would start going off.

Don't be an ass about semantics.

Why do you automatically assume everyone will pull their gat and start hosing down everything in front of them?

Why do you automatically assume that people, if armed, wont pull out their weapons and start firing?

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by frazod

Why don't these nutjobs shoot up police stations? Because they know everybody in the police station will be ARMED.

If a nutjob wants to shoot up a building, and Building A has an armed guard in front, and Building B doesn't, the nutjob will shoot up Building B. Sucks if you're in Building B. But the nutjob went where the obvious armed resistance wasn't.

However, if conceal/carry laws are in effect, the nutjob won't know who is/isn't armed. Instead of a building full of easy targets, the nutjob won't know who'll cower in fear and who'll pull out a .357 and put a couple of rounds through his fucking head.

History has shown these people to be complete cowards. Take away the easy kill and you will go a long way towards eleviating the problem.

I don't buy that argument. Most of these wackos ending offing themselves. Why would others having weapons deter or scare them if it's their intent to die anyway?

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's just what I need.

I fail a student for writing a poor paper and she busts a cap in my ass.

fucking awesome

I am sure she could think of other reasons to bust a cap on yo ass....

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Cochise

I'm reminded of the VT shootings... that nutjob kid chained all the doors shut and just walked around the building emptying like 20 magazines.... he shot, what 50 people, for want of one other person there who could stop him.

Hell someone engaging him would have at least given others time to escape.

My thoughts also. But DaKCmanAP brings up a good point, even if I think he’s going about it wrong.
Lets say you’re on campus at VT the day the shootings took place. You whip out your CC weapon and blast a cap in psycho’s dome before he has the chance to stroll around campus killing at his leisure. I come around the corner just in time to see you drop psycho like yesterdays underwear and all I know is there is a crazed gunman roaming campus. In my mind, I’ve just identified you as the killer even though you’re the hero. I pull my gat and cap you. Someone else steps around the corner just in time to see me pull the trigger and, well it isn’t hard to see how this could go down in a bad way.
Like I posted before, I don’t necessarily think that arming all students is the right answer, if there is a right answer, but I certainly am not looking forward to sending my boy to a campus where he can’t defend himself in the unlikely event he is caught in the middle of a VT type shooting.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by frazod

Why don't these nutjobs shoot up police stations? Because they know everybody in the police station will be ARMED.

If a nutjob wants to shoot up a building, and Building A has an armed guard in front, and Building B doesn't, the nutjob will shoot up Building B. Sucks if you're in Building B. But the nutjob went where the obvious armed resistance wasn't.

However, if conceal/carry laws are in effect, the nutjob won't know who is/isn't armed. Instead of a building full of easy targets, the nutjob won't know who'll cower in fear and who'll pull out a .357 and put a couple of rounds through his fucking head.

History has shown these people to be complete cowards. Take away the easy kill and you will go a long way towards eleviating the problem.

QFT

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I don't buy that argument. Most of these wackos ending offing themselves. Why would others having weapons deter or scare them if it's their intent to die anyway?

What part of COWARD don't you understand? They don't go places where they know people will fight back. That's been shown over and over. They shoot up schools and office buildings.

If the psycho just offs himself because he can't find an appropriate sheep zone to shoot up first, well, that's good news for the rest of us.

It amazes me how people don't get this. It really is a simple concept to understand.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I don't buy that argument. Most of these wackos ending offing themselves. Why would others having weapons deter or scare them if it's their intent to die anyway?

Because they want to take a ton of people with them. They want to roam around like they are god or an action movie star, condemning people to death, and ending it on their terms. They don't want someone to put a stop to them as soon as they start firing. they want the media to focus on them and be famous. They can't cause a catastrophe if they draw in a police station and get whacked in 2 seconds

I think most of them feel their life is out of control and this is their ultimate attempt to exercise control over the world, for as long as it lasts.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Don't be an ass about semantics.

Don’t be an ass with your over-generalizations.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Why do you automatically assume that people, if armed, wont pull out their weapons and start firing?

Because I’ve grown up around guns. Most of my friends, family, have also but oddly none of us have ever pulled one of our guns and just indiscriminately shot at people.
What experience do you have with guns? Maybe that’s where the problem is.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by frazod

History has shown these people to be complete cowards. Take away the easy kill and you will go a long way towards eleviating the problem.

...and you create a secondary problem of having single shootings at a greater frequency.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Because they want to take a ton of people with them. They want to roam around like they are god or an action movie star, condemning people to death, and ending it on their terms. They don't want someone to put a stop to them as soon as they start firing. they want the media to focus on them and be famous. They can't cause a catastrophe if they draw in a police station and get whacked in 2 seconds

I think most of them feel their life is out of control and this is their ultimate attempt to exercise control over the world, for as long as it lasts.

Good way of putting it.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

...and you create a secondary problem of having single shootings at a greater frequency.

Maybe, got any statistical data to back that up?

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by frazod

What part of COWARD don't you understand? They don't go places where they know people will fight back. That's been shown over and over. They shoot up schools and office buildings.

If the psycho just offs himself because he can't find an appropriate sheep zone to shoot up first, well, that's good news for the rest of us.

It amazes me how people don't get this. It really is a simple concept to understand.

Maybe because these people aren't cops? Most of the school shootings are -- gasp -- done by students. Some people shoot up their office. It's generally, not always, the places that the person is familiar with or has the problem that they go to.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Because I’ve grown up around guns. Most of my friends, family, have also but oddly none of us have ever pulled one of our guns and just indiscriminately shot at people.
What experience do you have with guns? Maybe that’s where the problem is.

So if you were in a situation in which you had your gun and someone came in and opened fire you would sit tight without responding?

My experience with guns is that I was walking to class one day on a CC campus 4-5 years ago when about 30-40 feet in front of me a guy comes up and shoots his ex girlfriend in the head and then kills himself. I don't need or want any further experiences with guns.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Maybe because these people aren't cops? Most of the school shootings are -- gasp -- done by students. Some people shoot up their office. It's generally, not always, the places that the person is familiar with or has the problem that they go to.

Boy, you've been fully indoctrinated, haven't you? So nobody can effectively wield a firearm unless they're a cop, right?

Oh wait, criminals can.

And so can psycho killers.

But not everyday law abiding citizens.

Right?