Chiefs Draft Analysis: Croyle Undisputed #1 QB? - Page 4

KCJohnny · 04-27-2008, 02:40 PM

So does this mean Croyle is Herm's guy?
After all the speculation and coveting of Brohm and Ryan and others, KC did not draft a QB (through the 6th rd).

What do you think? From my foxhole, it looks like Herm/Gailey are willing to go into 2008 with Croyle at #1 on the depth chart.

Chief Faithful · 04-27-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Bad drafting is what got them in this position.

Sims, Freeman, Siavii, Wilson were awful.

Id saying giving up a #1 for Trent Green worked out ok.

The way they drafted those years it was good they traded for Green instead of using the pick.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-27-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I wont disagree with any of that.

I will ask who the Chiefs could have picked in 2001 (QB) that would have produced more than Trent Green?

It was a good trade.

See, I completely disagree.

If the Chiefs had kept their first round pick that day, the shape of the team would have been completely different.

They would have been forced to either keep Grbac or find another QB in free agency, freeing up the #12 pick to add a player that would more than likely, still be on the roster.

The dynamic would have changed but not necessarily for the worse.

The bottom line is that the Vermeil era produced no playoff wins and left a team bereft of NFL caliber players.

Deberg_1990 · 04-27-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

See, I completely disagree.

If the Chiefs had kept their first round pick that day, the shape of the team would have been completely different.

They would have been forced to either keep Grbac or find another QB in free agency, freeing up the #12 pick to add a player that would more than likely, still be on the roster.

The dynamic would have changed but not necessarily for the worse.

The bottom line is that the Vermeil era produced no playoff wins and left a team bereft of NFL caliber players.

See post #47. The way the Chiefs drafted back in those days, we were better off trading for Trent Green.

**HemiEd** · 04-27-2008, 04:00 PM

Keep on ****ing doubting Tyler Thigpen!

He had a good day today.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-27-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

See post #47. The way the Chiefs drafted back in those days, we were better off trading for Trent Green.

That *may* be true but the Chiefs did well with LJ & DJ in the first round. Why they traded out of the first round in 2004 is beyond me.

2002 doesn't even need to be mentioned.

KCJohnny · 04-27-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I wont disagree with any of that.

I will ask who the Chiefs could have picked in 2001 (QB) that would have produced more than Trent Green?

It was a good trade.

They had a PB QB on the roster at the time (Grbac) who threw for 4,169 yds, 28 TDs and 14 INTs on a team with no running game. DV's Ramifization drove him away. So they didn't NEED a QB in the 2001 draft.

KCJohnny · 04-27-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Keep on ****ing doubting Tyler Thigpen!

He had a good day today.

I think all 3 KC QBs are sighing in relief.

Deberg_1990 · 04-27-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

They had a PB QB on the roster at the time (Grbac) who threw for 4,169 yds, 28 TDs and 14 INTs on a team with no running game. DV's Ramifization drove him away. So they didn't NEED a QB in the 2001 draft.

So your saying you would have preferred Grbac over Trent Green long term?? Grbac pussied out after 2001. Wasnt that his last NFL season with the Ravens??

eazyb81 · 04-27-2008, 04:47 PM

It's not too hard to figure out.

If Croyle can't take steps forward to show that he's an NFL-caliber QB with the additions of Albert, Cottram, Franklin, Richardson and a healthy LJ, then we'll know for sure that he's not our guy.

Assuming he doesn't do well, we'll have a horrible record and will be in a position to take a QB early in next year's draft or pick one up in free agency.

It's in Croyle's hands at this point. He has no more excuses.

KCJohnny · 04-27-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So your saying you would have preferred Grbac over Trent Green long term?? Grbac pussied out after 2001. Wasnt that his last NFL season with the Ravens??

Grbac had more talent than any of the QBs we had brought in save Montana. Yes, he was a marginal leader and not well-liked in the community. My point was there was a greater need at that time to address the declining D rather than the league's #8 offense which is where DV set about retooling the '01 Chiefs in the image of Mike Martz.

keg in kc · 04-27-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So your saying you would have preferred Grbac over Trent Green long term?? Grbac pussied out after 2001. Wasnt that his last NFL season with the Ravens??

If Grbac stays, that offense just doesn't work.

Deberg_1990 · 04-27-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Assuming he doesn't do well, we'll have a horrible record and will be in a position to take a QB early in next year's draft or pick one up in free agency.

It's in Croyle's hands at this point. He has no more excuses.

Exactly.

KCJohnny · 04-27-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

It's not too hard to figure out.

If Croyle can't take steps forward to show that he's an NFL-caliber QB with the additions of Albert, Cottram, Franklin, Richardson and a healthy LJ, then we'll know for sure that he's not our guy.

Assuming he doesn't do well, we'll have a horrible record and will be in a position to take a QB early in next year's draft or pick one up in free agency.

It's in Croyle's hands at this point. He has no more excuses.

Brodie will open up the 2008 season AT New England. It should get easier after that, but anticipate a merciless thrashing with about 4 INTs.

KCJohnny · 04-27-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

If Grbac stays, that offense just doesn't work.

The 2000 Chiefs had the NFL's 5th best passing attack. We didn't need "that" offense. DV elected to retool the already productive O at the expense of the declining D.

It was all about the vanity of trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice. Grbac earned and deserved the #1 QB spot on the Chiefs. The whole Ramifization experiment was a failure and was totally unneccesary in my view.

Back to Croyle, he is in the best of all possible scenarios: a young team, a new OC, an offense that can only get better.

Deberg_1990 · 04-27-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

The 2000 Chiefs had the NFL's 5th best passing attack. We didn't need "that" offense. DV elected to retool the already productive O at the expense of the declining D.

It was all about the vanity of trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice. Grbac earned and deserved the #1 QB spot on the Chiefs. The whole Ramifization experiment was a failure and was totally unneccesary in my view.

Back to Croyle, he is in the best of all possible scenarios: a young team, a new OC, an offense that can only get better.

If i remember correctly, wasnt it Grbacs decision to leave? Thats what forced DV to go out and get Green??

Oh well, im done talking abut this. Im not going to spend any more energy on stuff from 7-8 years ago. Its pointless.

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eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $9984900	It's not too hard to figure out. If Croyle can't take steps forward to show that he's an NFL-caliber QB with the additions of Albert, Cottram, Franklin, Richardson and a healthy LJ, then we'll know for sure that he's not our guy. Assuming he doesn't do well, we'll have a horrible record and will be in a position to take a QB early in next year's draft or pick one up in free agency. It's in Croyle's hands at this point. He has no more excuses.
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