Walsh Gives NFL 8 Tapes of Pats Cheating

[noa]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3386162

Ex-Pats employee Walsh sends NFL video of Pats' taping

After brokering a deal to protect himself, former New England Patriots employee Matt Walsh has finally turned over his evidence in the videotaping controversy.
The New York Times reported and the NFL confirmed on Wednesday that Walsh sent eight tapes to the league that show the Patriots recording the play-calling signals of five opponents in six games between 2000 and 2002.
Taping the signals of opposing teams is prohibited by league rules, and the Patriots were already fined $750,000 and docked a first-round draft choice in September for taping the New York Jets. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell left open the possibility that more penalties could be levied.
A Patriots employee from 1997-2003, Walsh reached an agreement to turn over the tapes in exchange for being indemnified from all future legal fees.
The New York Times obtained a list of the Walsh tapes, and the league confirmed that list, which says that the Patriots taped offensive and defensive coaches in regular-season games against the Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns and San Diego Chargers. The team also made video of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2002 AFC Championship Game.
Walsh's tapes do not include the video of the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough before the 2002 Super Bowl, as reported by the Boston Herald.
"Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walk-through," said Walsh's lawyer Michael Levy, according to the Times. "Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald article."
Walsh has separate meetings scheduled on Tuesday with the commissioner and Senator Arlen Specter in which he is expected to provide additional details about the taping process.
Under his agreement with the league, Walsh can retain copies of his videotapes, but he cannot use them without the consent of the NFL.

[Fairplay]

I think if the league would implement NHL rules i.e. take out a player from the defense/offense for 3 games plus take another number one pick from them.

That would be interesting.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Fairplay

I think if the league would implement NHL rules i.e. take out a player from the defense/offense for 3 games plus take another number one pick from them.

That would be interesting.

Dunno a darn thing about these NHL rules, but which player would you pick? And why would you punish a player anyway? And at that point you're entangling the Union. It wouldn't seem to make alot of sense.

And you can't take "another number one pick" when the "new" information/tapes contain NOTHING that is actually, you know, new.

[Fairplay]

Let the team take their pick who sits out.

Also the NHL is Union (i presume). I'm just saying it make the game more challenging for them. And neat to see how the other teams would play them formation wise with that factor.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

And they still would beat the Herm lead Chiefs 6 straight....

Do you get tired of saying the same shit in every single post?

Only a dickface like you would take a completely-unrelated thread and turn it into a Herm bash.

Your act is about as old as Dice Clay's.

[cadmonkey]

Thank GOD Walsh threw his hat in the ring for all of 8 tapes of already admitted to cheating. That was very worth the nonsense.

DOUCHEBAG.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I know Patriots hating is in vogue, but you guys need to pay attention a little better before spouting off. The Pats admitting all this ages ago, so Walsh's tapes prove NOTHING that they didn't already ADMIT ***AND*** were punished for this past year.



http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...ome&position=2

"consistent with what we already knew" doesn't mean they knew precisely which games were taped. It just means that - "yeah, we knew they taped opposing teams." If the NFL's position was that they knew the Pats taped every single game since Belichick took over, then that was not made clear to the fans.

The statements issued by the league and Belichick were certainly drafted in a manner to insinuate only the Jets game was at issue.


"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," Goodell wrote in a letter to the Patriots.

["This episode" makes it look like a single episode.]

Belichick responded with a statement shortly after Goodell's ruling became public.


"As the Commissioner acknowledged, our use of sideline video had no impact on the outcome of last week's game. We have never used sideline video to obtain a competitive advantage while the game was in progress."

[Again, Belichick specifically references the outcome of "last week's game".]

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

"consistent with what we already knew" doesn't mean they knew precisely which games were taped. It just means that - "yeah, we knew they taped opposing teams." If the NFL's position was that they knew the Pats taped every single game since Belichick took over, then that was not made clear to the fans.

I agree that the NFL was not very clear about what the Patriots had done -- at least not initially. They clearly wanted to seem firm on this issue, while burying it as a fast as possible, while giving out a minimum of details.

Nonetheless, it is now VERY clear that the Patriots had told Goodell waaay back when that they had taped every game since BB took over.

Repeat:

Goodell explained that the league's penalty against the Patriots early last season was for the totality of the team's videotaping actions, and that coach Bill Belichick acknowledged he had videotaped opposing signals since the start of his Patriots head coaching career.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I agree that the NFL was not very clear about what the Patriots had done -- at least not initially. They clearly wanted to seem firm on this issue, while burying it as a fast as possible, while giving out a minimum of details.

Nonetheless, it is now VERY clear that the Patriots had told Goodell waaay back when that they had taped every game since BB took over.

Repeat:

That may be true, but I have yet to see (not that I looked very hard) a direct quote from Goodell that says "Belichick admitted to taping every single game since he became head coach."

Goodell is responsible for all of this lingering news since he tried to bury it as quickly as possible without disclosing details.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

That may be true, but I have yet to see (not that I looked very hard) a direct quote from Goodell that says "Belichick admitted to taping every single game since he became head coach."

Goodell is responsible for all of this lingering news since he tried to bury it as quickly as possible without disclosing details.

Re-read my quote. That's exactly what Goodell said. Pats admitting taping every game since BB became coach. For the third time:

coach Bill Belichick acknowledged he had videotaped opposing signals since the start of his Patriots head coaching career

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Re-read my quote. That's exactly what Goodell said. Pats admitting taping every game since BB became coach. For the third time:

[/B]

You are quoting a Boston article that did not put Goodell's statement in quotes. The article reads:

"Goodell explained that the league's penalty against the Patriots early last season was for the totality of the team's videotaping actions, and that coach Bill Belichick acknowledged he had videotaped opposing signals since the start of his Patriots head coaching career."

I'm just saying, I don't recall seeing the exact quote from Goodell.

[Amnorix]

Ah, I see your point.

Can't find a quote, but it's a direct quote from Specter after he met with Goodell.

WASHINGTON (AP)—Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents’ defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots’ coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.

“There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over,” Specter said.

Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

“There were a great many questions answered by Commissioner Goodell,” Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters after the meeting. “I found a lot of questions unanswerable because of the tapes and notes had been destroyed.”

Goodell said Belichick told him he believed the taping was legal; Goodell said he did not concur.

“He said that’s always been his interpretation since he’s been the head coach,” the commissioner said. “We are going to agree to disagree on the facts.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?pro...cter&type=lgns

[Red Dawg]

PUNISH THEM MORE! The damn champ game! They better get hit hard for that. Pitt should be screaming for Belifuks head.

[irishjayhawk]

So there's been 7 seasons of cheating and they got 1 first round pick taken away. And further, they magically skipped over the #7....

Call it the most severe punishment ever levied but that doesn't mean it was fair.

[Brock]

They basically got away with it, may as well move on.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

So there's been 7 seasons of cheating and they got 1 first round pick taken away. And further, they magically skipped over the #7....

Call it the most severe punishment ever levied but that doesn't mean it was fair.

I agree. Given the lack of significant competitive advantage it afforded, it was probably too harsh. But hey, reasonable minds can disagree.