Chiefs JoPo gives Herm one final blow - Page 4

Hammock Parties · 01-24-2009, 02:13 AM

Pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Who cares if he had to wait a week. He gets $3 million and a vacation. Big ****ing deal. I'm disgusted. The shot at Pioli was unnecessary.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/998818.html
Herm had to go, but the delay was cruel

Scott Pioli really had no choice, and everyone knew it. He had to fire Herm Edwards. He had to give himself a fresh start. He had to start over with his own coach. He had to do it for a hundred different reasons, and Edwards’ 6-26 record the last couple of seasons was only one of them.

So, I’m not sure why it took 10 days for Pioli to pull the trigger. I’m not sure why he left Herm dangling out there for those 10 days while his assistant coaches fled like high school kids on graduation day. I’m not sure why the Chiefs would throw Herm overboard late on a Friday afternoon with a news release and a couple of pointless statements. I’m not sure what it says about an organization that it would treat a loyal man like that. Actually, I’m precisely sure what it says about the Chiefs.

Put it this way: Scott Pioli better win fast. He isn’t winning anyone over with his class.

In the end, I suspect, most people in town won’t care how Scott Pioli fired Herm Edwards, because most people just wanted Herm Edwards fired. Sports is a hard business and a cold game. People forget fast. Just one day earlier, Gunther Cunningham bolted for Detroit, where he gets to coach the one team that had a defense worse than his own. And he did not feel like he could leave without first shifting blame for his defense to Herm.

“I’ve gone through three years of playing zone defenses because I was loyal to Herm Edwards,” Cunningham said. “That’s what he wanted. People here in town knew that I was different than that. My idea is to put a lot of pressure on the quarterback — always has been, always will be.”

Key phrase in that statement: “was loyal.”

And how true was the statement anyway? In 2006, when Herm Edwards became head coach, he kept Gunther Cunningham on as his defensive coordinator.

This was despite the fact that the two years before Herm arrived, Cunningham’s defenses finished 31st and 25th in total defense. They weren’t playing zone then — the head coach was Dick Vermeil. and he would let his defensive coordinators do whatever the heck they wanted. Half the time, Vermeil didn’t even know the Chiefs had a defense (and half the time, he was right).

But that’s how it goes in sports: When a man gets down, people will kick. Nobody really wants to rehash this, but Herm Edwards walked into a raging hailstorm when he took over as Chiefs coach in 2006. The Chiefs were the worst kind of football team: They were old and refused to admit it. The Chiefs also had a uniquely inflated view of themselves, considering they had been to the playoffs exactly one time in eight years. Before Edwards coached his first game, his star left tackle, Willie Roaf, retired (even as the Chiefs begged him to come back). In Edwards’ first game, his quarterback, Trent Green, got knocked unconscious and he was never again an effective NFL quarterback. And, as already noted, the defense was awful.

Somehow, Edwards coaxed that team to a 9-7 record — that “zone” defense actually improved the Chiefs to 16th in defense — and they won an improbable playoff spot. True, the Chiefs promptly were humiliated by Indianapolis; but I’ve always thought that only made Edwards’ coaching job more impressive. As the old Groucho Marx line goes: How that team got into the playoffs, I’ll never know.

It was then that Edwards pleaded with people behind the scenes to let him blow things up. He knew the Chiefs were about to collapse. The secondary was ancient, and the offensive line was old enough to be the secondary’s father, and Larry Johnson was going to be tough to deal with, and Will Shields retired and the quarterback situation was a mess — and yes, Edwards could see it coming. But Chiefs president Carl Peterson was not ready to blow up anything. He did not even want to use the word rebuilding.

So, Edwards played the good soldier. He put his team in position to win games. The Chiefs were actually 4-3 at one point. And then, Larry Johnson got hurt, and reality set in and the Chiefs lost their last nine games.

Then Edwards was asked, finally, to blow things up. And the Chiefs did. They spent hardly any money in 2008 — they were $30 million under the salary cap. Edwards went to camp with rookies and free agents and guys who happened to be driving by River Falls and a couple of people who were in town for a wedding. Then a bunch of those guys got hurt, and the Chiefs added people named Wallace Gilberry and Rocky Boiman and Curtis Gatewood. The season went badly.

And this is not to say that Edwards did a great coaching job — he patently did not. There are no arguments after a 2-14 season. Many of the complaints people have about his game management are perfectly valid. But he did do what the Chiefs asked. He did fight through a season with an understaffed team. He did have his team competitive in numerous games. He did play the rookies and the kids, giving them experience. If Edwards was right about some of these players — if he was right about Branden Albert and Glenn Dorsey and Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr and some of the other recent picks — then the Chiefs might improve quickly. If he was wrong, well, we’ll find that out quickly, too.

But the point is that he did give his life to the Chiefs the last three years. He did a lot of difficult and unpleasant things to make the Chiefs better. He did not deserve to twist in the wind. Sure, Pioli had to fire him, everyone could see that coming a week and a half ago. That’s why it should have happened a week and a half ago.

Edwards deserved that, at least.

Mr. Laz · 01-24-2009, 09:48 AM

JoPo should really just stick to writing poems and song lyrics

how they hell SPORTS got into his deal i'll never understand

siberian khatru · 01-24-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

JoPo should really just stick to writing poems and song lyrics

how they hell SPORTS got into his deal i'll never understand

He's a writer, not a reporter, and he's a fan, not a critic.

That makes him very good at doing feature-y stuff, but inadequate when the situation calls for bringing the hammer down. He only calls people out when it's glaringly obvious and way past due -- like "OK, I admit, after Tony Muser's, 10,000th career loss with the Royals, I think it's time to end this experiment. Shame, though, that it's happening to such a wonderful man ..."

I know, he's supposed to be the Yin to Whitlock's Yang (heh), but ...

Mr. Laz · 01-24-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

He's a writer, not a reporter, and he's a fan, not a critic.

That makes him very good at doing feature-y stuff, but inadequate when the situation calls for bringing the hammer down. He only calls people out when it's glaringly obvious and way past due -- like "OK, I admit, after Tony Muser's, 10,000th career loss with the Royals, I think it's time to end this experiment. Shame, though, that it's happening to such a wonderful man ..."

I know, he's supposed to be the Yin to Whitlock's Yang (heh), but ...

ya .... i guess

but ya think we can just get a good sports guy who is neither whitlock or jopo?

too much to ask i guess

Deberg_1990 · 01-24-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

He's a writer, not a reporter, and he's a fan, not a critic.

That makes him very good at doing feature-y stuff, but inadequate when the situation calls for bringing the hammer down. He only calls people out when it's glaringly obvious and way past due -- like "OK, I admit, after Tony Muser's, 10,000th career loss with the Royals, I think it's time to end this experiment. Shame, though, that it's happening to such a wonderful man ..."

I know, he's supposed to be the Yin to Whitlock's Yang (heh), but ...

Nail on head.

He shouldnt even be allowed columns of this sort. He comes off as amatuerish.

BigChiefFan · 01-24-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

ya .... i guess

but ya think we can just get a good sports guy who is neither whitlock or jopo?

too much to ask i guess

That guy who went to Washington DC was great. I can't remember his name, but it sucks he moved on. Ivan something?

siberian khatru · 01-24-2009, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

ya .... i guess

but ya think we can just get a good sports guy who is neither whitlock or jopo?

too much to ask i guess

Well, in all honesty I much prefer them to the old duo of Gib Twyman (RIP) and Jon Rand. Blech. Awful. Joe McGuff was OK, but real old school.

But yeah, I wish sometimes Whitlock wasn't so obviously stirring the pot, not writing what he really believes, and JoPo was a bit more ... skeptical.

ArrowheadHawk · 01-24-2009, 10:04 AM

What a worthless article.

FloridaMan88 · 01-24-2009, 10:07 AM

JoPo has written this same column for the past 6 months.

Direckshun · 01-24-2009, 10:13 AM

I love here that JoPo is getting flack because he wants a degree of humanity in his team's front office.

Just classic. Whitlock is officially taking over around here as KC's favorite columnist.

I know Lamar favored class over results, but that doesn't mean we need to go in the complete opposite direction. Going in the complete opposite direction IS the Patriots' way, and I'm hoping we can be better than that.

Mr. Laz · 01-24-2009, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I love here that JoPo is getting flack because he wants a degree of humanity in his team's front office.

Just classic. Whitlock is officially taking over around here as KC's favorite columnist.

I know Lamar favored class over results, but that doesn't mean we need to go in the complete opposite direction. Going in the complete opposite direction IS the Patriots' way, and I'm hoping we can be better than that.

herm is getting paid 4 million dollars to be "left hanging" for 10 days.

oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brock · 01-24-2009, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I love here that JoPo is getting flack because he wants a degree of humanity in his team's front office.

Just classic. Whitlock is officially taking over around here as KC's favorite columnist.

I know Lamar favored class over results, but that doesn't mean we need to go in the complete opposite direction. Going in the complete opposite direction IS the Patriots' way, and I'm hoping we can be better than that.

Unbelieveable.

StcChief · 01-24-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

JoPo at least makes a great point about Gunther. But give me a break with Herm. The guy is getting paid 4 mil a year, he just led this team to 6 wins in 2 seasons, and he can't spare 10 days to provide info to Pioli on the team and his thoughts on why the players failed or succeeded? Give me a break Joe...

exactly... but in 24/7 media world we need stories now. Or we have speculate and make sh1t up.

FloridaMan88 · 01-24-2009, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I love here that JoPo is getting flack because he wants a degree of humanity in his team's front office.

Just classic. Whitlock is officially taking over around here as KC's favorite columnist.

I know Lamar favored class over results, but that doesn't mean we need to go in the complete opposite direction. Going in the complete opposite direction IS the Patriots' way, and I'm hoping we can be better than that.

Where was the "degree of humanity" in watching Herm systematically destroy the Chiefs franchise the past 3 years?

Let's recap what happened the past 10 days... multiple assistant coaches left to take jobs with other teams (no assistant coach was being held against their will and prevented from finding a job elsewhere), and Herm is going to get $4 million from the Chiefs next year for doing nothing.

I know JoPo has a lot of on his plate now that he has been hired to write the same dull, lifeless, 8th grade level articles for SI that he has been writing for the KC Star the past 10 years but he needs to get a grip on reality and stop fluffing Herm.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-24-2009, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I love here that JoPo is getting flack because he wants a degree of humanity in his team's front office.

Just classic. Whitlock is officially taking over around here as KC's favorite columnist.

I know Lamar favored class over results, but that doesn't mean we need to go in the complete opposite direction. Going in the complete opposite direction IS the Patriots' way, and I'm hoping we can be better than that.

I can buy that. I was enraged at the way Carl Peterson handled the Trent Green and Jared Allen situations--he unapologetically treated them like bargaining chips instead of human beings, and that's a big reason why Peterson built a reputation as a guy nobody wants to deal with.

That being said, while I understand why JoePo made these points, I think he's wrong in this. Pioli's only crime is that he was brought in late.

Deberg_1990 · 01-24-2009, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I love here that JoPo is getting flack because he wants a degree of humanity in his team's front office.

Do you want a guy who wants to win or a guy who wants to kiss the media's a$$???

01-24-2009, 02:13 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $700478	JoPo gives Herm one final blow Pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Who cares if he had to wait a week. He gets $3 million and a vacation. Big **ing deal. I'm disgusted. The shot at Pioli was unnecessary. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/998818.html Herm had to go, but the delay was cruel** Scott Pioli really had no choice, and everyone knew it. He had to fire Herm Edwards. He had to give himself a fresh start. He had to start over with his own coach. He had to do it for a hundred different reasons, and Edwards’ 6-26 record the last couple of seasons was only one of them. So, I’m not sure why it took 10 days for Pioli to pull the trigger. I’m not sure why he left Herm dangling out there for those 10 days while his assistant coaches fled like high school kids on graduation day. I’m not sure why the Chiefs would throw Herm overboard late on a Friday afternoon with a news release and a couple of pointless statements. I’m not sure what it says about an organization that it would treat a loyal man like that. Actually, I’m precisely sure what it says about the Chiefs. Put it this way: Scott Pioli better win fast. He isn’t winning anyone over with his class. In the end, I suspect, most people in town won’t care how Scott Pioli fired Herm Edwards, because most people just wanted Herm Edwards fired. Sports is a hard business and a cold game. People forget fast. Just one day earlier, Gunther Cunningham bolted for Detroit, where he gets to coach the one team that had a defense worse than his own. And he did not feel like he could leave without first shifting blame for his defense to Herm. “I’ve gone through three years of playing zone defenses because I was loyal to Herm Edwards,” Cunningham said. “That’s what he wanted. People here in town knew that I was different than that. My idea is to put a lot of pressure on the quarterback — always has been, always will be.” Key phrase in that statement: “was loyal.” And how true was the statement anyway? In 2006, when Herm Edwards became head coach, he kept Gunther Cunningham on as his defensive coordinator. This was despite the fact that the two years before Herm arrived, Cunningham’s defenses finished 31st and 25th in total defense. They weren’t playing zone then — the head coach was Dick Vermeil. and he would let his defensive coordinators do whatever the heck they wanted. Half the time, Vermeil didn’t even know the Chiefs had a defense (and half the time, he was right). But that’s how it goes in sports: When a man gets down, people will kick. Nobody really wants to rehash this, but Herm Edwards walked into a raging hailstorm when he took over as Chiefs coach in 2006. The Chiefs were the worst kind of football team: They were old and refused to admit it. The Chiefs also had a uniquely inflated view of themselves, considering they had been to the playoffs exactly one time in eight years. Before Edwards coached his first game, his star left tackle, Willie Roaf, retired (even as the Chiefs begged him to come back). In Edwards’ first game, his quarterback, Trent Green, got knocked unconscious and he was never again an effective NFL quarterback. And, as already noted, the defense was awful. Somehow, Edwards coaxed that team to a 9-7 record — that “zone” defense actually improved the Chiefs to 16th in defense — and they won an improbable playoff spot. True, the Chiefs promptly were humiliated by Indianapolis; but I’ve always thought that only made Edwards’ coaching job more impressive. As the old Groucho Marx line goes: How that team got into the playoffs, I’ll never know. It was then that Edwards pleaded with people behind the scenes to let him blow things up. He knew the Chiefs were about to collapse. The secondary was ancient, and the offensive line was old enough to be the secondary’s father, and Larry Johnson was going to be tough to deal with, and Will Shields retired and the quarterback situation was a mess — and yes, Edwards could see it coming. But Chiefs president Carl Peterson was not ready to blow up anything. He did not even want to use the word rebuilding. So, Edwards played the good soldier. He put his team in position to win games. The Chiefs were actually 4-3 at one point. And then, Larry Johnson got hurt, and reality set in and the Chiefs lost their last nine games. Then Edwards was asked, finally, to blow things up. And the Chiefs did. They spent hardly any money in 2008 — they were $30 million under the salary cap. Edwards went to camp with rookies and free agents and guys who happened to be driving by River Falls and a couple of people who were in town for a wedding. Then a bunch of those guys got hurt, and the Chiefs added people named Wallace Gilberry and Rocky Boiman and Curtis Gatewood. The season went badly. And this is not to say that Edwards did a great coaching job — he patently did not. There are no arguments after a 2-14 season. Many of the complaints people have about his game management are perfectly valid. But he did do what the Chiefs asked. He did fight through a season with an understaffed team. He did have his team competitive in numerous games. He did play the rookies and the kids, giving them experience. If Edwards was right about some of these players — if he was right about Branden Albert and Glenn Dorsey and Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr and some of the other recent picks — then the Chiefs might improve quickly. If he was wrong, well, we’ll find that out quickly, too. But the point is that he did give his life to the Chiefs the last three years. He did a lot of difficult and unpleasant things to make the Chiefs better. He did not deserve to twist in the wind. Sure, Pioli had to fire him, everyone could see that coming a week and a half ago. That’s why it should have happened a week and a half ago. Edwards deserved that, at least.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I love here that JoPo is getting flack because he wants a degree of humanity in his team's front office. Just classic. Whitlock is officially taking over around here as KC's favorite columnist. I know Lamar favored class over results, but that doesn't mean we need to go in the complete opposite direction. Going in the complete opposite direction IS the Patriots' way, and I'm hoping we can be better than that.
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