Chiefs Mike Vrabel - Page 4

BradyFTW! · 02-27-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

Amnorix, I'm sure you're right about all the things Vrabel will be able to provide. He arrives with a great resume.

What I question is whether he will, and why he'd want to.

I just can't imagine that Vrabel is feeling good about coming to a 2-14 team in exchange for a late round draft pick. I hope I'm wrong, but I envision him just showing up to draw a pay check.

That's not an unreasonable concern, normally, but it just isn't the kind of player that Vrabel is. Trust the Pats fans on this one- once you've watched him for a while, you'll get why this isn't something that you needed to be worried about.

txhawk · 02-27-2009, 10:16 PM

They're tremendously better now, specifically from a talent standpoint, then they were the year before. You have to win games to get to the playoffs.

boogblaster · 02-27-2009, 10:17 PM

Dont count the ole guy out yet ... NE won lots of games with old-smart-proven players ....

ct · 02-27-2009, 10:23 PM

Thanks Amnorix, always appreciate your input!

ChiefRon · 02-27-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ct

Thanks Amnorix, always appreciate your input!

Agreed, the insight kept me from beating my wife. Well, tonight anyway.

Thanks.

txhawk · 02-27-2009, 10:28 PM

The Chiefs are my team, but I'm an NFL guy. And I generally don't find myself looking at our team through rose colored glasses. Keep in mind, whatever this new management group does has to be better than what the former regime did. And that's 20+ years of mediocrity.

Don't forget the bar isn't set that high here.

Hammock Parties · 02-27-2009, 10:28 PM

What makes him a good pass rusher, Amno? He always struck me as someone who was very smooth in getting to the quarterback. Made it look easy at times.

txhawk · 02-27-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

What makes him a good pass rusher, Amno? He always struck me as someone who was very smooth in getting to the quarterback. Made it look easy at times.

Not Amnorix, but watched quite a bit of the pats this year, and can say that He's good at the point of attack, but he's not the guy he was the past couple of years speed wise.

Plus he didn't have as good as a defensive backfield behind him. Sure makes a difference when the dbacks are playing good coverage when it comes to gettin after the qb.

Joe_Camel · 02-27-2009, 10:35 PM

For everyone that is complaining about maybe losing a 6th or 7th round pick in this trade, here is our all pro line up of 6th and 7th rounders since 2000

6 170 Barry Richardson T Clemson
6 182 Kevin Robinson WR Utah
7 210 Brian Johnston DE Gardner-Webb
7 239 Mike Merritt TE Central Florida

6 196 Herb Taylor T Texas Christian
7 231 Michael Allan TE Whitworth

6 186 Tre' Stallings G Mississippi
6 190 Jeff Webb WR San Diego State
7 228 Jarrad Page DB UCLA

6 187 Will Svitek T Stanford
6 199 Khari Long DE Baylor
7 229 James Kilian -- Tulsa
7 238 Jeremy Parquet T Southern Mississippi

6 195 Jeris McIntyre WR Auburn
7 231 Kevin Sampson T Syracuse

6 189 Jimmy Wilkerson DE Oklahoma
7 230 Montique Sharpe DT Wake Forest
7 252 Willie Pile DB Virginia Tech

7 221 Maurice Rodriguez -- Fresno State

6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio)
7 212 Shaunard Harts DB Boise State
7 243 Terdell Sands DT Tennessee-Chattanooga

6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College
7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR Furman

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_Camel

For everyone that is complaining about maybe losing a 6th or 7th round pick in this trade, here is our all pro line up of 6th and 7th rounders since 2000

6 170 Barry Richardson T Clemson
6 182 Kevin Robinson WR Utah
7 210 Brian Johnston DE Gardner-Webb
7 239 Mike Merritt TE Central Florida

6 196 Herb Taylor T Texas Christian
7 231 Michael Allan TE Whitworth

6 186 Tre' Stallings G Mississippi
6 190 Jeff Webb WR San Diego State
7 228 Jarrad Page DB UCLA

6 187 Will Svitek T Stanford
6 199 Khari Long DE Baylor
7 229 James Kilian -- Tulsa
7 238 Jeremy Parquet T Southern Mississippi

6 195 Jeris McIntyre WR Auburn
7 231 Kevin Sampson T Syracuse

6 189 Jimmy Wilkerson DE Oklahoma
7 230 Montique Sharpe DT Wake Forest
7 252 Willie Pile DB Virginia Tech

7 221 Maurice Rodriguez -- Fresno State

6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio)
7 212 Shaunard Harts DB Boise State
7 243 Terdell Sands DT Tennessee-Chattanooga

6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College
7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR Furman

If Carl Peterson was still running our drafts, you'd have a point.

The guy that IS running our draft has plucked some serviceable players out of the late rounds.

Antwan Harris
David Givens
Tully Banta-Cain
Dan Koppen
Matt Cassel

And some schmuck named Tom Brady.

txhawk · 02-27-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If Carl Peterson was still running our drafts, you'd have a point.

The guy that IS running our draft has plucked some serviceable players out of the late rounds.

Antwan Harris
David Givens
Tully Banta-Cain
Dan Koppen
Matt Cassel

And some schmuck named Tom Brady.

The Tom Brady notion is spot on. But it's kinda one of those once in a lifetime kinda things don't you think.

I'm not naive enough to expect us to find our Tom Brady in the 6th or 7th round.

**DeezNutz** · 02-27-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by txhawk

I'm not naive enough to expect us to find our Tom Brady in the 6th or 7th round.

Why not? It's a big crowd.

Start a Stafford/Sanchez thread and see what happens.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by txhawk

The Tom Brady notion is spot on. But it's kinda one of those once in a lifetime kinda things don't you think.

I'm not naive enough to expect us to find our Tom Brady in the 6th or 7th round.

Who said anything about "finding our Brady?"

I'm just pointing out that Pioli has done a good job in the late rounds.

Missing out on say, a guy like Koppen (as an example) to trade for Vrabel frustrates the hell out of me.

Joe_Camel · 02-27-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If Carl Peterson was still running our drafts, you'd have a point.

The guy that IS running our draft has plucked some serviceable players out of the late rounds.

Antwan Harris
David Givens
Tully Banta-Cain
Dan Koppen
Matt Cassel

And some schmuck named Tom Brady.

Then why can't you trust his judgement?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_Camel

Then why can't you trust his judgement?

What is wrong with me wishing he had kept that pick and used it on a young player that could still be here and contribute to a future SB win?

Contrary to popular belief, the guy isn't the God of all GM's.

He's made mistakes before, and he'll make them again.

You have to be the homer of all homers to agree with everything an organization does. I'm sure Amnorix can tell you stories of times they thought Pioli made a mistake.

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Joe_Camel Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Murray, Kentucky Casino cash: $9934747	For everyone that is complaining about maybe losing a 6th or 7th round pick in this trade, here is our all pro line up of 6th and 7th rounders since 2000 6 170 Barry Richardson T Clemson 6 182 Kevin Robinson WR Utah 7 210 Brian Johnston DE Gardner-Webb 7 239 Mike Merritt TE Central Florida 6 196 Herb Taylor T Texas Christian 7 231 Michael Allan TE Whitworth 6 186 Tre' Stallings G Mississippi 6 190 Jeff Webb WR San Diego State 7 228 Jarrad Page DB UCLA 6 187 Will Svitek T Stanford 6 199 Khari Long DE Baylor 7 229 James Kilian -- Tulsa 7 238 Jeremy Parquet T Southern Mississippi 6 195 Jeris McIntyre WR Auburn 7 231 Kevin Sampson T Syracuse 6 189 Jimmy Wilkerson DE Oklahoma 7 230 Montique Sharpe DT Wake Forest 7 252 Willie Pile DB Virginia Tech 7 221 Maurice Rodriguez -- Fresno State 6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio) 7 212 Shaunard Harts DB Boise State 7 243 Terdell Sands DT Tennessee-Chattanooga 6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College 7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR Furman
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