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Old 03-07-2009, 04:03 PM  
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Nick Lowry is the next Chiefs Hall of Fame member
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/03..._hall_of_fame/

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Old 03-07-2009, 10:18 PM   #46
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Nick blew it. Plain and simple. To blame it on a rookie is tenuous at best.

Nick blew it in 1989. He missed two field goals (one in regulation and one in overtime) that would have put the Chiefs at 9-7 and in the playoffs.

Marty wanted him gone then. His partying and lifestyle was a "bad influence" on the other players.
I'm not saying I liked Nick. He was an ass.

But if you want to say that was ALL on Nick then fine.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:19 PM   #47
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didn't he slap a ball boy?
He was definitely NOT a role model.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:19 PM   #48
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I'm not saying I liked Nick. He was an ass.

But if you want to say that was ALL on Nick then fine.
Here's the way I see and you're welcome to disagree:

If Nick is to be considered "Elite", then he should have proved it on the field.

Is Scott Norwood in the Bills HOF?

I didn't think so.

Nick had plenty of opportunities to win important games for the Chiefs and far more often than not, he failed.

He was not an Elite kicker that produced under pressure (i.e. Vinatieri).

He was just a guy.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:23 PM   #49
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Here's the way I see and you're welcome to disagree:

If Nick is to be considered "Elite", then he should have proved it on the field.

Is Scott Norwood in the Bills HOF?

I didn't think so.

Nick had plenty of opportunities to win important games for the Chiefs and far more often than not, he failed.

He was not an Elite kicker that produced under pressure (i.e. Vinatieri).

He was just a guy.
Yeah, but this is the Chiefs Hall of Fame not the NFL Hall of Fame. Plus, like it or not, he was a fan favorite.

time for me to check out and go home.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:25 PM   #50
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Plus, like it or not, he was a true fan favorite.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:32 PM   #51
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Here's the way I see and you're welcome to disagree:

If Nick is to be considered "Elite", then he should have proved it on the field.

Is Scott Norwood in the Bills HOF?

I didn't think so.

Nick had plenty of opportunities to win important games for the Chiefs and far more often than not, he failed.

He was not an Elite kicker that produced under pressure (i.e. Vinatieri).

He was just a guy.
By God I want his ass kicked to the curb, and Louie inducted in his place, and I want it YESTERDAY!

And someone tell him to cut that goddamned gay-biker moustasche too! Yarrr...
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:40 PM   #52
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Yeah, but this is the Chiefs Hall of Fame not the NFL Hall of Fame. Plus, like it or not, he was a fan favorite.

time for me to check out and go home.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:45 PM   #53
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Nick blew it. Plain and simple. To blame it on a rookie is tenuous at best.

Nick blew it in 1989. He missed two field goals (one in regulation and one in overtime) that would have put the Chiefs at 9-7 and in the playoffs.

Marty wanted him gone then. His partying and lifestyle was a "bad influence" on the other players.

He actually missed 3 kicks in that tie against Cleveland in 89.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:45 PM   #54
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I think your memory is clouded by one game. The facts fly in your rust colored glasses. He hit 80 % of field goals in the era before specialty balls, and despite your contentions he had 14 game winning field goals. His postseason numbers are lower, but that's because of a smaller sampling. You want to hold Stenerud to the same standard? He missed a three field goals in the longest game ever including a chip shot with less than a minute left in regulation.

You really blame a kicker for missing from more than 50 yards? Go out on a football field and see how small a target it is.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:46 PM   #55
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I thought Nick was a good clutch kicker. He just didn't have many clutch opportunities. I'm a Nick Lowery fan.
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Old 03-07-2009, 11:44 PM   #56
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Um, Karl didn't cut him. His contract was up.

The Chiefs offered $100k more than the Jets.

Nick the Dick bolted for NYC.

Marty was never a fan.
I'll just DM you my posts for fact checking prior to posting, henceforth... ok?
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Old 03-08-2009, 01:06 AM   #57
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And damn John Alt for making him miss one of the most important FGs in his career. I think it was Alt that held anyway.
I believe you're thinking of Dave Szott. And it was a horrible call by the refs. Szott was falling down backwards and they called holding on him.

Lowery was good and probably deserves to be in the Chiefs hall of fame but he also led the mutiny against John Mackovick.

And for what it's worth, I think John Alt was one of the most underrated players of his time. He was an elite left tackle but didn't get much pub.
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What he's saying, though, has merit.

For the most part, Lowery missed on big kicks far more often than he made them.
Seriously, though. During the 80s, how many 'big game winning' kicks could he possibly have the opportunity to make?
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I have always been forgiving of kickers on 50+ FG attempts. 40 and in is money. 40-50 the averages go down slightly. 50 and beyond the average plummets. I may not be happy about a 50+ miss but I won't hold it against them either. The team blew that series more than Nick did and Szott blew it more than the team did.
Nick is the LAST player I blammed for that loss.
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