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Amnorix · 03-25-2009, 09:11 AM

So Curt Schilling officially retired earlier this week. Is he a Hall of Famer in your mind, or not?

The stats:

216 wins (light for a HOFer, it's like 80th all-time)
146 losses
.596 Winning Percentage
No Cy Young Awards. Came in 2nd 3 times, and 4th once.
6 All Star Appearances
3.47 ERA
ERA +/- is a whopping +127
3116 strikeouts (15th all time)
11-2 record in playoffs with a 2.23 ERA in 19 starts
3 World Series rings
20 game winner 3 times
The Bloody Sock!
An ungodly K/BB ratio.

It's a close call. The stats alone point to "no", but I keep coming back to two things -- first that he isn't tainted by steroids, and second that there are damn few pitchers over the last 15 years that someone would want starting Game 7 of a World Series over Schilling.

Tiger's Fan · 03-25-2009, 05:42 PM

No way. He always ran his mouth about the roids, while posting better numbers once he got past the age of 30. Besides not being remotely close numbers wise, I bet he was a roided up hypocrite.

kcxiv · 03-25-2009, 05:44 PM

[QUOTE=Buster Hymen;5610425]No way. He always ran his mouth about the roids, while posting better numbers once he got past the age of 30. Besides not being remotely close numbers wise, I bet he was a roided up hypocrite.[/Qoute] I seriously doubt he roided up. He lost his fast ball a few years back. He had to adjust his pitching style and he still had good years.

Say what you want about Curt, Yes he's is outspoken and sometimes should just shut up, but he's a straight shooter. Plus he's a video gamer as well. He's ok in my book. lol

keg in kc · 03-25-2009, 06:04 PM

He's a big gamer, so that gets him in in my book.

And when I say gamer, I don't mean baseball. He's big into MMOs.

RJ · 03-25-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Really?

Wins--216 Tied for 80th all-time
ERA-3.46 Would be 11th among current active players if not retired
Win%-.596. Tied for 119th all-time with Herb Pennock, Ed Lopat and Warren Spahn
WHIP-1.1374 45th all-time
BB/9- 1.962 79th all-time
Strikeouts- 3116 15Th all-time
Adjusted ERA+- 127 Tied 43rd all-time

Schilling's post-season numbers are where he leaves his mark on the game.

11-2, 2.23 ERA, K/BB 120/25, WHIP 0.97

Schilling has the best K/BB ratio of all time among guys with a minimum of 1,000 IP / 100 decisions.

Only Blyleven has retired with more strikeouts and has not made into the HoF.

Like I said, he doesn't have the stats.

But he'll get in, the media loves him.

RJ · 03-25-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Strikeouts- 3116 15Th all-time

No doubt he gets in.

Is Jim Thome a HOF'er?

MIAdragon · 03-25-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

Is Jim Thome a HOF'er?

I don’t think so, nor do I think they are even close in their respective categories either.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-25-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

I don’t think so, nor do I think they are even close in their respective categories either.

Thome is 14th in career homers, Schilling is 15th in strikeouts and 80th in wins.

**SAUTO** · 03-25-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Thome is 14th in career homers, Schilling is 15th in strikeouts and 80th in wins.

schill will get hurt by the win total. IMO and yes blyleven should get in 1st

MIAdragon · 03-25-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Thome is 14th in career homers, Schilling is 15th in strikeouts and 80th in wins.

Thome is 230th in all-time career hits.

Third on the all-time strikeout list.

A career .229 post season batting average.

I dont see the comparison.

MIAdragon · 03-25-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

schill will get hurt by the win total. IMO and yes Blyleven should get in 1st

Blyleven will get in, if he wasn’t such a dickbag he would already be in.

Simply Red · 03-25-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Strikeouts- 3116 15Th all-time

No doubt he gets in.

yeah, no question, he was always tough to hit, he's a winner, imb.

**MahiMike** · 03-25-2009, 08:08 PM

Of course. Not even a debate.

**SAUTO** · 03-25-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Blyleven will get in, if he wasn’t such a dickbag he would already be in.

i agree, but that shouldnt matter IMO

RJ · 03-25-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

I don’t think so, nor do I think they are even close in their respective categories either.

Comparing the two I'd give the edge to Schilling, but not by too much.

Thome is to HR's as Schilling is to K's, and Thome will move up the list this season. Thome also has always been an OBP monster. His postseason avg sucks but his HR's and RBI are strong.

Neither, IMO, are HOF worthy, but they've both been very good players.

And both will probably go in.

Braincase · 03-25-2009, 08:42 PM

If you were to take away all of Roger Clemens' Cy Youngs and give 'em to a pitcher that wasn't tainted by reports of steroid use, how many of them would go to Schill? That, and he's started a company to create his own online role-playing game.

I'd vote him and his sock in.

03-25-2009, 09:11 AM
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	Curt Schilling Retires -- is he a HOFer? So Curt Schilling officially retired earlier this week. Is he a Hall of Famer in your mind, or not? The stats: 216 wins (light for a HOFer, it's like 80th all-time) 146 losses .596 Winning Percentage No Cy Young Awards. Came in 2nd 3 times, and 4th once. 6 All Star Appearances 3.47 ERA ERA +/- is a whopping +127 3116 strikeouts (15th all time) 11-2 record in playoffs with a 2.23 ERA in 19 starts 3 World Series rings 20 game winner 3 times The Bloody Sock! An ungodly K/BB ratio. It's a close call. The stats alone point to "no", but I keep coming back to two things -- first that he isn't tainted by steroids, and second that there are damn few pitchers over the last 15 years that someone would want starting Game 7 of a World Series over Schilling.
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kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8697996	[QUOTE=Buster Hymen;5610425]No way. He always ran his mouth about the roids, while posting better numbers once he got past the age of 30. Besides not being remotely close numbers wise, I bet he was a roided up hypocrite.[/Qoute] I seriously doubt he roided up. He lost his fast ball a few years back. He had to adjust his pitching style and he still had good years. Say what you want about Curt, Yes he's is outspoken and sometimes should just shut up, but he's a straight shooter. Plus he's a video gamer as well. He's ok in my book. lol
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Braincase Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Pond> Me <Barn Casino cash: $11298284	If you were to take away all of Roger Clemens' Cy Youngs and give 'em to a pitcher that wasn't tainted by reports of steroid use, how many of them would go to Schill? That, and he's started a company to create his own online role-playing game. I'd vote him and his sock in. __________________ BrainCase
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