Connor Barwin planning a visit with the Chiefs - Page 4

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-28-2009, 12:38 PM

Barwin Adds Another Visit
by Ed Thompson of ScoutNFLNetwork.com, March 27, 2009 at 7:58am ET

Scout.com has been told that University of Cincinnati DE/TE Connor Barwin has an official visit scheduled with the New England Patriots on Friday, March 29-30, according to a source.

The visit signals a strong level of interest from New England, since they also held a private workout with Barwin on March 10.

Barwin's already had an official visit with the Buffalo Bills in March, but he has four visits planned for April already. He'll kick off his road trips with the Kansas City Chiefs on April 1st and 2nd, then he's off to Tennessee to meet with the Titans on the 5th and 6th. Then it's off to Jacksonville for a visit on the 12th and 13th followed by the Rams on the 15th and 16th.

Saccopoo · 04-01-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

I like when Utah lined up with 3 linemen, Kruger had to be double-teamed and still got to the QB. At 6'4 I wonder if he couldn't add 30 lbs and be a monster 3-4 DE in a couple years. I think he might have the athleticism to play 3-4 OLB, they dropped him into coverage occasionally, and he can obviously fight through blocks. You're right he probably fits best in a 4-3.

It's really frustrating not having any picks in the range of where all of these players will go, makes me think we're going to trade down even more.

Kruger saw double and triples almost every game the past two years. Strong enough to fight through blocks and double teams, but is also quick enough to get around the edge. And he has the frame to add another 20-30 pounds. Bone structure/frame is huge, he's smart, athletic and incredibly instinctive. Was an All-American at quarterback in high school, got recruited to play that position for Utah by Urban Meyer, went on a Mormon mission and basically out grew it. Way to talented to not be on the field, so the Utes stuck him at DE because of his size and athleticism, and he was a man among boys.

IMHO, and I've stated this before, I think Kruger is the best pure DE in this draft and is going to be a steal for anyone in the second round.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-01-2009, 12:34 AM

IF Kruger wasn't missing a kidney and other internal organs, he'd be less of a risk.

He has serious, serious health issues that absolutely must be taken into consideration.

He's the prototypical "Boom or Bust" guy.

KCrockaholic · 04-01-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Okay, n00b, there is a little thing called "Ignore". If you don't like getting shit slung in your face for ridiculous comparisons, use it.

It absolutely matters when Vrabel was drafted because it took him nearly 5 years to figure how to play in the NFL and that was with his second team. So are you comparing him to Vrabel when he was drafted or Mike Vrabel 8 years after he was drafted?

And you need to go **** yourself, Dickhead.

Its not a ridiculous comparison at all. Ive projected Barwin to be a player a lot like Vrabel is right now. Im not the only one who thinks this either.

How is it that im the dickhead when your the one who cant make an educated statement without throwing in some stupid cuss word. You throw temper tantrums worse than a 3 year old.

Saccopoo · 04-01-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

IF Kruger wasn't missing a kidney and other internal organs, he'd be less of a risk.

He has serious, serious health issues that absolutely must be taken into consideration.

He's the prototypical "Boom or Bust" guy.

I don't think that makes him a boom or bust guy. I think that makes him a "I hope you don't play running back or fullback" type of guy and take body shots from DT's and LB's and SS's all game long type of guy. He's primarily going to get hands to the shoulders from offensive tackles.

And everyone is a risk in this league. One bad roll over on your legs and you never play again. One head shot and you never play again. One I hope Rodney Harrison is out of the league permanently and I can play again next week.

Sure there are question marks on Kruger about the internals. A team would be stupid not to make sure he checked out, and perhaps it drops him to the Chiefs in the third *crosses fingers*. But you can't question the talent, production, drive or prototype size and skill. There is always some level of crap shoot with any of these guys regardless.

KCrockaholic · 04-01-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rockymtnchief

Nice to finally hear a few others who've noticed Simtin. I've mentioned him in other threads and got little or no replies. I was hoping to get him in the 2nd round. Then the big trade changed all that.

I like Sintim as well. Hes just not that, you know "sexy pick" that everyone loves. But he gets the job done with the best of them.

Saccopoo · 04-01-2009, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

I like Sintim as well. Hes just not that, you know "sexy pick" that everyone loves. But he gets the job done with the best of them.

By sexy pick you mean that he has massive holes in his game and put up an amazing number in a single category but sucked in everything else, correct?

Sintim led the NCAA's in sacks by a LB. If that isn't a sexy stat, I don't know what is. He can also cover, run through blockers and eats RBs.

Oh, but he isn't Aaron Maybin, who posted a wacky 40 time at his pro day, so he isn't as sexy. Or better yet, Michael Johnson.

I hate guys who can actually play football. Just ruins my draft prognostications. Where would I be without guys like Gholston, Mitchell, Gallery, et al.?

bdeg · 04-01-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Kruger saw double and triples almost every game the past two years. Strong enough to fight through blocks and double teams, but is also quick enough to get around the edge. And he has the frame to add another 20-30 pounds. Bone structure/frame is huge, he's smart, athletic and incredibly instinctive. Was an All-American at quarterback in high school, got recruited to play that position for Utah by Urban Meyer, went on a Mormon mission and basically out grew it. Way to talented to not be on the field, so the Utes stuck him at DE because of his size and athleticism, and he was a man among boys.

IMHO, and I've stated this before, I think Kruger is the best pure DE in this draft and is going to be a steal for anyone in the second round.

My only disagreement is that I'm not convinced he has the quickness to get the edge on any LT's in the pros. I think he's a prototypical monster 4-3 LE.

Chiefnj2 · 04-01-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

By sexy pick you mean that he has massive holes in his game and put up an amazing number in a single category but sucked in everything else, correct?

Sintim led the NCAA's in sacks by a LB. If that isn't a sexy stat, I don't know what is. He can also cover, run through blockers and eats RBs.

Oh, but he isn't Aaron Maybin, who posted a wacky 40 time at his pro day, so he isn't as sexy. Or better yet, Michael Johnson.

I hate guys who can actually play football. Just ruins my draft prognostications. Where would I be without guys like Gholston, Mitchell, Gallery, et al.?

Not all that many colleges run a 3-4 so to lead in sacks as a LB isn't necessarily a great feat. It's good, but not necessarily first round NFL draft pick worthy. Sintim would make a quick adjustment, but based on pure athleticism he is probably on the bottom rung of guys like Barwin, Orakpo, Brown and Kruger. From a pure athleticism point of view Barwin looks to have a very high ceiling.

KCrockaholic · 04-01-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

By sexy pick you mean that he has massive holes in his game and put up an amazing number in a single category but sucked in everything else, correct?

Sintim led the NCAA's in sacks by a LB. If that isn't a sexy stat, I don't know what is. He can also cover, run through blockers and eats RBs.

Oh, but he isn't Aaron Maybin, who posted a wacky 40 time at his pro day, so he isn't as sexy. Or better yet, Michael Johnson.

I hate guys who can actually play football. Just ruins my draft prognostications. Where would I be without guys like Gholston, Mitchell, Gallery, et al.?

WTF? its not like i said he is a bad player. Yeah he had 11 sacks, I know. He is very rarely talked about within the media. Its nothing against his talent, he just seems to get lost in the shuffle of the other linebackers. Which may turn out to be a good thing for a team looking for a steal in the 2nd round. A "sexy pick" for example would be Brian Cushing IMO, the media raves him, and although he might not be better than Sintim he is still going to be looked at as the better player from the media.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-01-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

Its not a ridiculous comparison at all. Ive projected Barwin to be a player a lot like Vrabel is right now. Im not the only one who thinks this either.

I'm sorry, it's a ridiculous comparison. Projecting him as a first rounder, then comparing him to a guy who was drafted in the third and took five years to mature is dumb. Especially when the guy's only played for ONE year.

Furthermore, teams are looking at him as either a LB or a TE. Clearly, there's no consensus as to where he'll play in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

How is it that im the dickhead when your the one who cant make an educated statement without throwing in some stupid cuss word. You throw temper tantrums worse than a 3 year old.

I'm sorry my words wounded your vagina.

Saccopoo · 04-01-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

WTF? its not like i said he is a bad player. Yeah he had 11 sacks, I know. He is very rarely talked about within the media. Its nothing against his talent, he just seems to get lost in the shuffle of the other linebackers. Which may turn out to be a good thing for a team looking for a steal in the 2nd round. A "sexy pick" for example would be Brian Cushing IMO, the media raves him, and although he might not be better than Sintim he is still going to be looked at as the better player from the media.

I was attempting to be sarcastic. It didn't work out well.

I like Sintim. I think he's athletic enough to be mentioned with guys like Brown, Maybin, et al., but he also possess a more well-rounded game and did it while being the primary focus on defense.

He's the guy I wanted the Chiefs to take with their second round pick when that was still available to them. A trade down from the three gives them a shot at him, while picking up additional picks in the process. I'd rather have Sintim or a guy like English and picks than Brown, Orakpo, Maybin, Johnson or whathaveyou with the #3 pick. That is, unless Brian Orakpo is the second coming of John Abraham, or Everette Brown is the next Dwight Freeney. Then you take them at the #3. But you just never know. That's why a trade down and a pick of Sintim or English plus addition picks seems like the best thing at this point.

Although, I still would be happy with Curry. Our ILB spot has been nothing short of tragic, and I think the MILB is the most important position on the defense. A good one will elevate the rest of the players around them substantially. They may not have the sexy stats other than tackles, but they start helping the rest of the defense fill up the stat sheet. And I just don't see another MILB other than Curry being able to do that in a 3-4 hybrid. I like Lauriniatis and Phillips from TCU, but I don't think that Laur is in Curry's class from an athletic standpoint, and Phillips looks like a pure 4-3 ILB.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-01-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

I think the MILB is the most important position on the defense.

I MLB is probably the least important position on defense, which is why they rarely, if ever go in the Top Ten.

Wow.

Saccopoo · 04-01-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I MLB is probably the least important position on defense, which is why they rarely, if ever go in the Top Ten.

Wow.

I know you do. I don't. I think that they are very important. The Chiefs had one of the best pass rushers and the most complete player at DE in Jared Allen and they didn't do squat. However, their ILB position has been virtually empty since the days of Dino Hackett, and it's been a reason why the Chiefs have sucked on that side of the ball for a long, long time.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-01-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

I know you do. I don't. I think that they are very important. The Chiefs had one of the best pass rushers and the most complete player at DE in Jared Allen and they didn't do squat. However, their ILB position has been virtually empty since the days of Dino Hackett, and it's been a reason why the Chiefs have sucked on that side of the ball for a long, long time.

That is absolutely untrue.

The Chiefs have "sucked" on that side of the ball due to lack of adequate play at the safety, cornerback and interior defensive line. They've been virtually talentless at those positions for more than a decade, though the players selected in the 2008 draft may bring long-term stability to the cornerback position (interior d-line is still a question mark).

As much as I liked Dino Hackett as a player, his presence the past few seasons wouldn't have made much, if any difference on these woefully undermanned Chiefs defenses.

Poor drafting for more than a decade led to the current state of the Chiefs defense.

Not a lack of a MLB.

KCrockaholic · 04-01-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That is absolutely untrue.

The Chiefs have "sucked" on that side of the ball due to lack of adequate play at the safety, cornerback and interior defensive line. They've been virtually talentless at those positions for more than a decade, though the players selected in the 2008 draft may bring long-term stability to the cornerback position (interior d-line is still a question mark).

As much as I liked Dino Hackett as a player, his presence the past few seasons wouldn't have made much, if any difference on these woefully undermanned Chiefs defenses.

Poor drafting for more than a decade led to the current state of the Chiefs defense.

Not a lack of a MLB.

Im proud. A response as if you have any class may be a first. Maybe you grew up?

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