Chiefs I honestly think it's gonna be a bit difficult to trade down - Page 4

RedThat · 04-09-2009, 09:16 AM

The reason I say that is other teams that may want to trade up are going to have pay quite a bit to move up into the Chiefs draft slot.

in other words, I just think another team is going to have to give up too much value. And I recall Teicher mentioning that in one of his video blogs. That he doesn't think a trade down from the Chiefs will happen for those reasons. Im gonna have to agree with him there.

Im just thinking from a realistic standpoint of view. Although, I do want a trade down to happen? Only for purposes of accumulating more picks in the process, and I just strongly feel that in this draft there are no real players in the top 5 that just blow you away. I just think it's going to be very hard, unless there is a highly coveted player another team may want, and the deal makes sense then I can see a trade down happening. But, I just don't feel optimistic about it.

ToxSocks · 04-09-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

No, we can't. The QB's likely to be available next year aren't anywhere NEAR the prospects that Sanchez and Stafford are.

We've already invested high draft picks in the DL and OL. None of those needs you listed justify burning the #3 overall pick because of a short-term need.

I agree that OL shouldnt be taken at #3. But if they did, he would start. And just becasue we used high picks on the DL before doesn't mean they've panned out. We obviously still need help.

As far as the Qb's not being good next draft; that's what they say every goddamn year. Last year, everyone had questions about Matt Ryan and a lot of "experts" didn't think he was worth a top 5 selection. Flacco wasn't even suppose to go in hte 1st rnd. Same this year. Just one month ago people were going on and on about how poor this QB class is. Same shit will happen next year.

Look, im not saying that we should reach for an OL or DL player with the #3. I think if Sanchez is there, we try to trade down and get a 2nd. If we can't, then find a player who can be a fixture in one of the many KNOWN holes that are on the team. Let's give Matt Cassel a decent team before trying to find his replacement.

Amnorix · 04-09-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I can understand being optimistic and HOPING that Cassel works out, but to say that we are set at QB is mind-blowing.

2 QB's with a year of experience.

One of them surrounded by the greatest offensive talent of the past 10 years and the closest thing we've had to a dynasty this decade - along with the best HC in recent memory.

The other, needed to have the offense changed mid-season to accommodate his deficiencies, and still only won one game.

You guys seriously think you're going to effectively spend your #1 and #2 picks on a QB?

Yeah....no.

ChiefsCountry · 04-09-2009, 11:40 AM

The only way to trade down is if we have a QB at our pick. No other position will a team give up the farm for.

KCDC · 04-09-2009, 11:52 AM

Unless Seattle sends out signs that it is willing to take Sanchez, we won't get SF, Denver or Washington to trade up for our pick. Instead, if they trade up they do so on the #8 pick.

We have two other possibilities, as I see it:

1. Cleveland wants Curry and will trade up two spots for a third rounder maybe.

2. The Eagles or Redskins want a "franchise LT" and trade up to get Monroe. It will be expensive, and they may prefer to wait to try and get Andre Smith or Oher.

htismaqe · 04-09-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Do you really think they won't have any spread packages? Cassel thrived in the spread and so did Thigpen. I'm sure there will be some packages that Thigpen can have success with in case Cassel goes down.

We will have several 4-WR sets, I'm sure. That, however, is NOT the spread. What the Patriots did last year and what the Chiefs did wasn't similar in many ways at all. Once again, we'd be looking at changing the entire offense just to accomodate Thigpen.

ToxSocks · 04-09-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

We will have several 4-WR sets, I'm sure. That, however, is NOT the spread. What the Patriots did last year and what the Chiefs did wasn't similar in many ways at all. Once again, we'd be looking at changing the entire offense just to accomodate Thigpen.

If your starting QB goes down, you gotta do what you gotta do to get by until he gets back

htismaqe · 04-09-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I agree that OL shouldnt be taken at #3. But if they did, he would start.

At the expense of continuing to develop Brandon Albert. I HATE that idea, more than any other that's been presented.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

And just becasue we used high picks on the DL before doesn't mean they've panned out. We obviously still need help.

Do we? We don't have a clue what we have due to the fact that coaching was so bad. At some point we have to get something out of these guys or move on.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

As far as the Qb's not being good next draft; that's what they say every goddamn year. Last year, everyone had questions about Matt Ryan and a lot of "experts" didn't think he was worth a top 5 selection. Flacco wasn't even suppose to go in hte 1st rnd. Same this year. Just one month ago people were going on and on about how poor this QB class is. Same shit will happen next year.

Matt Ryan played in a pro-style offense. Sanchez and Stafford did. There isn't anybody right now that looks like a big-time prospect that doesn't play in the spread. That's a BIG problem.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-09-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Dog

No brainer, IMO. Either will easily replace Thigpen right away.

And in the end, isn't that all that really matters?
(short answer; yes!)

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Originally Posted by Brock

Again, "needs right now" is short-sighted thinking. I don't care about Thigpen, he doesn't matter. Maybe you can trade him for something.

What exactly IS the market rate for a wannabe fan favorite these days?
Meh, a crate of Omaha Steaks for every Chiefs fan in existence works for me.

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Originally Posted by Crush

I'm sorry Mr. Krab's, but Sanchez cannot measure up to Jesus Christ Curry. Jesus is the complete total package.

Reaching 4:10 - It was then that Curry was persecuted for his Divine Connection. Do not believe the critics that say, "Yea, He is a solid player." You must remember that, yea, He is the Messiah of professional football and will forgive our sins as a 3-4 ILB.

Do not take the Lord Thy God Curry's name in vain, heathen!
Reptastic!

htismaqe · 04-09-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

If your starting QB goes down, you gotta do what you gotta do to get by until he gets back

Well, hopefully we'll have a REAL backup QB before the seasons starts. I don't have a problem with developing Thigpen. Developmental QB's are usually the #3.

04-09-2009, 09:16 AM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I honestly think it's gonna be a bit difficult to trade down The reason I say that is other teams that may want to trade up are going to have pay quite a bit to move up into the Chiefs draft slot. in other words, I just think another team is going to have to give up too much value. And I recall Teicher mentioning that in one of his video blogs. That he doesn't think a trade down from the Chiefs will happen for those reasons. Im gonna have to agree with him there. Im just thinking from a realistic standpoint of view. Although, I do want a trade down to happen? Only for purposes of accumulating more picks in the process, and I just strongly feel that in this draft there are no real players in the top 5 that just blow you away. I just think it's going to be very hard, unless there is a highly coveted player another team may want, and the deal makes sense then I can see a trade down happening. But, I just don't feel optimistic about it.
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KCDC Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $9716110	Unless Seattle sends out signs that it is willing to take Sanchez, we won't get SF, Denver or Washington to trade up for our pick. Instead, if they trade up they do so on the #8 pick. We have two other possibilities, as I see it: 1. Cleveland wants Curry and will trade up two spots for a third rounder maybe. 2. The Eagles or Redskins want a "franchise LT" and trade up to get Monroe. It will be expensive, and they may prefer to wait to try and get Andre Smith or Oher.
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