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**007** · 04-16-2009, 11:13 PM

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Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-17-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony

My point is after the payday at #1 overall for for the
freaking Detroit Lions and a few bone shattering sacks as a rookie, Stafford has a very high probability of being a bust. I'm thinking Todd Blackledge.. I know Blackledge wasn't #1 overall but I'm just sayin.

And that right there is the ****ing problem. See my first post in this thread.

tonyetony · 04-17-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

That's not a point. That's you just saying shit that you think is going to happen based on nothing that's actually grounded in truth or reality.

I'm just saying, but we are most likely going to find out if I am wrong. Please remind me if I'm wrong.

Jenson71 · 04-17-2009, 01:04 AM

I want to know why people think Tim Tebow won't be a good NFL quarterback. I've even heard things like he'd have more of a chance at runningback. So what's the deal? What's he missing?

I also want to know what position you think he'll play in the NFL at all and if it'd be worth spending a late pick on him to see what he's got at QB.

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Oh how I yearn for the days of fall, whenever the majority of the planet was totally averse to the thought of drafting a QB. Then as winter rolled around, Sanchez became the target du jour. If Cassel craps the bed, it will be interesting to see which quarterback next year isn't good enough.

All of them?

Which QB of next year's class can even sniff the high quality of Stafford or Sanchez?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-17-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

All of them?

Which QB of next year's class can even sniff the high quality of Stafford or Sanchez?

Sadly, none, but you never know. Matt Ryan was an afterthought before his Sr. year. If someone does emerge, they will be bashed relentlessly, I guarantee you that.

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

I want to know why people think Tim Tebow won't be a good NFL quarterback. I've even heard things like he'd have more of a chance at runningback. So what's the deal? What's he missing?

I also want to know what position you think he'll play in the NFL at all and if it'd be worth spending a late pick on him to see what he's got at QB.

DaKCMan seems hopeful that Tebow spending time with a quality QB coach who will work on his throwing mechanics will turn him into a great NFL QB. Maybe it will work.

But for now, "heart" and "guts" and all that bullshit alone won't get Tebow much of anything in the NFL apart from sore bones and a buttload of interceptions

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-17-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

I want to know why people think Tim Tebow won't be a good NFL quarterback. I've even heard things like he'd have more of a chance at runningback. So what's the deal? What's he missing?

I also want to know what position you think he'll play in the NFL at all and if it'd be worth spending a late pick on him to see what he's got at QB.

He has one of the worst throwing motions of any QB, ever, and comes from an offense that greatly increases his learning curve. He has iffy arm strength and accuracy to boot. Nothing about him says NFL QB.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 04-17-2009, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Sadly, none, but you never know. Matt Ryan was an afterthought before his Sr. year. If someone does emerge, they will be bashed relentlessly, I guarantee you that.

That's true. It's a rare case you have a QB at the top that people won't bash. If Peyton himself were to be in the last couple of drafts he would get a report like:

"He's got all the measurables you want in a QB, but sometimes he's too animated at the line. He has been known to be calling off audibles right down to the very last seconds of the play clock, this worries a few NFL coaches I have talked to. To me it's not worth the risk of potentially getting a delay of game call, I feel the best value is the coverage LB who makes all the plays he should. If not the LB, go RT or G.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-17-2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

That's true. It's a rare case you have a QB at the top that people won't bash. If Peyton himself were to be in the last couple of drafts he would get a report like:

"He's got all the measurables you want in a QB, but sometimes he's too animated at the line. He has been known to be calling off audibles right down to the very last seconds of the play clock, this worries a few NFL coaches I have talked to. To me it's not worth the risk of potentially getting a delay of game call, I feel the best value is the coverage LB who makes all the plays he should. If not the LB, go RT or G.

Nice.

ChiefsCountry · 04-17-2009, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

All of them?

Which QB of next year's class can even sniff the high quality of Stafford or Sanchez?

If Stoopers puts Sammie under center he would have a better chance but the the darkhorse would have to be Jimmy Clausen of Notre Dame.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-17-2009, 03:02 AM

Jevan Snead will be next year's Josh Freeman. Tony Pike is a darkhorse with some upside.

**pr_capone** · 04-17-2009, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Jevan Snead will be next year's Josh Freeman. Tony Pike is a darkhorse with some upside.

Josh Freeman can go blow a diseased goat.

**the Talking Can** · 04-17-2009, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony

First off he seems to be self promotional in media terms. Secondly, he had some talent surrounding him and exactly what did he really do with that TEAM as far as collegiate accomplishments? And lastly I was disappointed he couldn't show off his #1 overall talents at the combine, he and his agent had to set the stage.

shouldn't you actually know something about the Georgia team if you're going to make claims based upon them?

because it is obvious you don't know anything about them....you're just making stuff up....

Spicy McHaggis · 04-17-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony

First off he seems to be self promotional in media terms.

Like it or not these top 5 guys, especially at a high visibility position like quarterback, essentially have become their own "brand" or company going into the NFL. It's about the deals that this exposure/recognition will bring down the line.

**doomy3** · 04-17-2009, 09:09 AM

I like Stafford and hope we draft him, but:

Why is it that winning a Super Bowl is the end all be all to if a QB in the NFL is worth a shit, but when it is a college QB, it isn't all that important if they win because "they weren't surrounded by all world talent?" Stafford's Georgia team was preseason #1 and they underperformed this year. I see all the posts about Cassel only being a good trade if he wins a Super Bowl in the next several years, but yet winning at the college level for Stafford doesn't show anything?

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doomy3 Supporter Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $5103539	I like Stafford and hope we draft him, but: Why is it that winning a Super Bowl is the end all be all to if a QB in the NFL is worth a shit, but when it is a college QB, it isn't all that important if they win because "they weren't surrounded by all world talent?" Stafford's Georgia team was preseason #1 and they underperformed this year. I see all the posts about Cassel only being a good trade if he wins a Super Bowl in the next several years, but yet winning at the college level for Stafford doesn't show anything?
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