Chiefs My Easy Chair "Evaluation" thus far... - Page 4

Sully · 04-26-2009, 05:14 PM

Reading up on the Patriots, they were one of 4 teams in the NFL to do all their own scouting, not using a service. They graded using their own criteria, and picked accordingly.
So, knowing that, I don't know why the first couple of picks surprised me so much. Pioli and Belichick didn't give a damn what the experts thought, they drafted guys that fit their very narrow profile. They wanted their guys, and got them wherever.

Now, clearly they should have traded down for a couple of these guys. But that assumes two things.
A) There was a partner to trade down with.
and
B) Their guy would still be available at that pick.

As Petro often says, it only takes one team to like a guy for him to be gone. And as evidenced by the Cleveland/Jets trade, trading down was either not an option, or not worth doing.

So nothing about this draft sparkles. Not like last year, where we were all euphoric after nearly every pick. However, I'm not saying we should all just blindly trust in Pioli, but we should realize he goes about this deal a lot differently that most other teams, and we should come to grips with that.

All that said, my evaluation really is no evaluation. The picks confuse me and baffle me. But I think this guy knows what he's doing. So a couple of years down the line, if these guys suck, and the team hasn't improved...I'll be right along with you dog-cussing this regime. I just can't bring myself to do it, yet. That's not a cry to not discuss opinions, just an attempt to bring us back to rationality with all this. We don't know...not one of us, whether this is going to be good or bad. We don't know how these guys will be used, and how they will be asked to contribute. We don't know if they are expected to be stars, or role players.

JMO

EyePod · 04-26-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

We had what was universally agreed upon as the best draft last year. Now everyone's saying it was awful with the exception of Flowers.

I don't know if everyone's saying that. I think some people are just saying it's less useful now that we're going to the 3-4. And I know I'm worried about Flowers in the non Tampon-2.... :/

EyePod · 04-26-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SBK

These last two days have really cracked me up. I think Pioli's quote about taking the 'right' players, not necessarily the 'best' players is a strange thing to watch when put into practice.

I agree. But the Patriots are constantly questioned on their picks (this helps me sleep better at night).

htismaqe · 04-26-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i understand the first 3 picks, their motives and rationale seem pretty clear, and think they'll turn out to be good players....though i'm not sold on cassel, Halioli is...

i don't understand the rest of the picks really....seems a wierd mix of bpa and wtf-leftfield?....so i guess we'll find out early how good their instincts are....because it seems like we passed on a lot of safer (perception, of course) picks at positions of need (OL and LB)...

again, a hard draft to love...but it has "upside"...lol

I don't love the draft at all. I just don't hate it either. I mean, what the hell influence do I have over it?

htismaqe · 04-26-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

I agree. But the Patriots are constantly questioned on their picks (this helps me sleep better at night).

This.

EyePod · 04-26-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Adrian Jones was EASILY the weakest link on the line. It's hard to know how much of a detrimental effect he had on both McIntosh and Niswanger. Getting Goff was a huge upgrade, and it's possible that they think that might be enough until some more cuts go down...

Also, McIntosh definitely looked better (even besides the crazy awesome block) towards the end of the season. Let's just hope he is finally getting a handle on it...

EyePod · 04-26-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i understand the first 3 picks, their motives and rationale seem pretty clear, and think they'll turn out to be good players....though i'm not sold on cassel, Halioli is...

i don't understand the rest of the picks really....seems a wierd mix of bpa and wtf-leftfield?....so i guess we'll find out early how good their instincts are....because it seems like we passed on a lot of safer (perception, of course) picks at positions of need (OL and LB)...

again, a hard draft to love...but it has "upside"...lol

Yeah!! There was no way that last year's draft could have lived up to its expectation. This draft has no where to go but up!

el borracho · 04-26-2009, 09:24 PM

Perhaps this draft was so deep in OL that Pioli believes guys will be available as rookie free-agents who in other years would require a 4th, 5th or 6th round pick.

el borracho · 04-26-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Yeah!! There was no way that last year's draft could have lived up to its expectation. This draft has no where to go but up!

It was easier to embrace last year's draft, that is for sure. Who out of this years class do we imagine going to the ProBowl?

The big run-stoppers?-not likely.
The corner who will start the season behind Flowers and Carr?- maybe one day.
The giant OT who appears to be a giant reach?- I can't imagine
Any of the various projects from late on the 2nd day?-your guess is as good as mine.

There just weren't any draft day heroes in the bunch.

htismaqe · 04-26-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Perhaps this draft was so deep in OL that Pioli believes guys will be available as rookie free-agents who in other years would require a 4th, 5th or 6th round pick.

Very possible.

KcFanInGA · 04-26-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Perhaps this draft was so deep in OL that Pioli believes guys will be available as rookie free-agents who in other years would require a 4th, 5th or 6th round pick.

Exactly.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-26-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Jesus, Mecca. They took 3 C's in the 1st.

Reaches were abound EVERYWHERE for OL in this draft.

Rookie OL have the easiest transitions to the NFL. Unlike WRs, TEs, and DL, where we picked abundantly.

Wrong.

TWO centers went the first.

The consensus best center in years at #21 in Alex Mack, and Eric Wood at #28.

Seattle gave up picks in the second to get Max Unger.

If you've never watched these guys play, you might think it's a reach.

But in no way, shape or form did those teams reach.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-26-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't love the draft at all. I just don't hate it either. I mean, what the hell influence do I have over it?

I would have rather had Mark Sanchez and Max Unger/Ron Brace/Rey Rey over Matt Cassel, Tyson Jackson and Vrabel.

I don't care for the selection of Washington (what the hell is wrong with Flowers, Carr & Leggett?), Colin Brown and Jake O'Connell are major head-scratchers.

Let's just hope that the Chiefs were right this weekend. Because on paper, it pretty much looks like dogshit.

EyePod · 04-26-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

It was easier to embrace last year's draft, that is for sure. Who out of this years class do we imagine going to the ProBowl?

The big run-stoppers?-not likely.
The corner who will start the season behind Flowers and Carr?- maybe one day.
The giant OT who appears to be a giant reach?- I can't imagine
Any of the various projects from late on the 2nd day?-your guess is as good as mine.

There just weren't any draft day heroes in the bunch.

I don't care if we have pro-bowlers. I just want a SB. Oh, and don't forget about Leggett either! And Washington can play FS too, so maybe Page's job wasn't as safe as I thought. And what ever happened to DaJuan Morgan?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-26-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There was a ton of outstanding 2nd day OL value this year.

Of which the Chiefs chose not to partake...

EyePod · 04-26-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Wrong.

TWO centers went the first.

The consensus best center in years at #21 in Alex Mack, and Eric Wood at #28.

Seattle gave up picks in the second to get Max Unger.

If you've never watched these guys play, you might think it's a reach.

But in no way, shape or form did those teams reach.

A really good center can really boost a team's performance. Look at what Jeff Saturday does in Indy.

04-26-2009, 05:14 PM
Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	My Easy Chair "Evaluation" thus far... Reading up on the Patriots, they were one of 4 teams in the NFL to do all their own scouting, not using a service. They graded using their own criteria, and picked accordingly. So, knowing that, I don't know why the first couple of picks surprised me so much. Pioli and Belichick didn't give a damn what the experts thought, they drafted guys that fit their very narrow profile. They wanted their guys, and got them wherever. Now, clearly they should have traded down for a couple of these guys. But that assumes two things. A) There was a partner to trade down with. and B) Their guy would still be available at that pick. As Petro often says, it only takes one team to like a guy for him to be gone. And as evidenced by the Cleveland/Jets trade, trading down was either not an option, or not worth doing. So nothing about this draft sparkles. Not like last year, where we were all euphoric after nearly every pick. However, I'm not saying we should all just blindly trust in Pioli, but we should realize he goes about this deal a lot differently that most other teams, and we should come to grips with that. All that said, my evaluation really is no evaluation. The picks confuse me and baffle me. But I think this guy knows what he's doing. So a couple of years down the line, if these guys suck, and the team hasn't improved...I'll be right along with you dog-cussing this regime. I just can't bring myself to do it, yet. That's not a cry to not discuss opinions, just an attempt to bring us back to rationality with all this. We don't know...not one of us, whether this is going to be good or bad. We don't know how these guys will be used, and how they will be asked to contribute. We don't know if they are expected to be stars, or role players. JMO
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