Chiefs Brandon Flowers - Page 4

seaofred · 04-29-2009, 05:17 PM

If I'm not mistaken Flowers was drafted last year, because he was the best Tampa 2 corner in the draft. He went in the second, because other teams that needed a CB weren't Tampa 2 D's.

My question is, will he be any good in our new D?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-30-2009, 09:04 AM

Teams always throw rookie CB's who play like second year guys in their first season, and who pick off HOF-bound QB's for 92 yard pick sixes to the curb.

Happens all the time.

**Buehler445** · 04-30-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Teams always throw rookie CB's who play like second year guys in their first season, and who pick off HOF-bound QB's for 92 yard pick sixes to the curb.

Happens all the time.

I like Flowers more than anyone on the defense longer than 6 days, but in fairness, LOTS of guys have picked off Favre.

That being said, at the level he was playing last year, it is hard to imagine him not excelling in any scheme.

If he can produce in a Herm scheme he ought to be good to go in a real coach's scheme. Unless he is forced to guard Randy Moss with no help all day, he'll be fine.
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htismaqe · 04-30-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Teams always throw rookie CB's who play like second year guys in their first season, and who pick off HOF-bound QB's for 92 yard pick sixes to the curb.

Happens all the time.

It does happen all the time. New regimes have "profiles" and if they're stupid, like Gunther for instance, they get rid of good players in favor of players with measurables that fit their mold.

We just have to hope that Pioli's "profile" emphasizes football skills over measurables.

**Buehler445** · 04-30-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It does happen all the time. New regimes have "profiles" and if they're stupid, like Gunther for instance, they get rid of good players in favor of players with measurables that fit their mold.

We just have to hope that Pioli's "profile" emphasizes football skills over measurables.

I certainly hope so. I didn't even make the connection about this draft being mostly on measurables until you mentioned it. Hopefully these kids have a brain in their head and can be coached.

It could also be that that the focus of the scouts was on measurables and that may be why they are out of a job. Who knows. I would be interested in some of the conversations in the war room during the draft.
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-30-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It does happen all the time. New regimes have "profiles" and if they're stupid, like Gunther for instance, they get rid of good players in favor of players with measurables that fit their mold.

We just have to hope that Pioli's "profile" emphasizes football skills over measurables.

Wouldn't that decision ultimately rest in Haley's hands? Flowers isn't a draft pick, he's a done deal with a signed contract.

Why am I even debating this? It's utterly ridiculous.

htismaqe · 04-30-2009, 09:50 AM

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Wouldn't that decision ultimately rest in Haley's hands? Flowers isn't a draft pick, he's a done deal with a signed contract.

Why am I even debating this? It's utterly ridiculous.

The draft is over. There's nothing else to talk about.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-30-2009, 10:02 AM

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The draft is over. There's nothing else to talk about.

There's FA.

Speaking of which; when are we going to address the issue of protection for Cassel?

You DO realize that Sackintosh or the rook will NOT be "getting it done", yes?

Demonpenz · 04-30-2009, 10:03 AM

Flowers can tackle well. reminds me a lil of rod woodson, loves to cover, loves to tackle, loves football.

whoman69 · 04-30-2009, 10:03 AM

Compare the heights of the WRs in the league and the CBs. Its not even close. Taller players with good hands are almost always going to take the money and fame that WR position can give them. Speed is always going to be the biggest measurable for CBs.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-30-2009, 10:07 AM

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Flowers can tackle well. reminds me a lil of rod woodson, loves to cover, loves to tackle, loves football.

He showed Ferguson what time it was!

Jethopper · 04-30-2009, 10:12 AM

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I could definitely see that, but is he a good enough tackler?

Carr is an excellent tackler.

htismaqe · 04-30-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

There's FA.

Speaking of which; when are we going to address the issue of protection for Cassel?

You DO realize that Sackintosh or the rook will NOT be "getting it done", yes?

How do you know the rook won't be getting it done?

RedThat · 04-30-2009, 10:42 AM

RT is an interesting position on this team.

I wonder what they're going to do there?

Im not a fan of McIntosh.

But there are some prospects there in Brown and Richardson. Do you take a risk, and chance it with these guys? And hope for the best that one of them pans out? Or do you simply sign a proven veteran in FA who can fill that void for a couple of seasons, not only to play but to be a good locker room presence and mentor for the younger guys?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-30-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

How do you know the rook won't be getting it done?

It's possible, but unlikely.

EyePod · 04-30-2009, 10:46 AM

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Wrong. He doesn't have shorts & t-shirt, timed track speed. He has game speed, quickness, physicality and stellar technique. He can play corner in any system for any team.

I really hope this is so. Especially because he had the experience (and excelled) in the easier Tampa 2, which should help with the transition. A lot of teams were wary of him in a non Tampa 2 defense, so it isn't wrong.

Here was Scout's Inc.:

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35. Kansas City Chiefs
The pick: Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
What he brings: Flowers doesn't have elite size or top-end speed. Occasionally, he gets caught out of position trying to make a big play. However, he plays far bigger than his size indicates and faster than his 40 time suggest. He opens his hips very well and has the upper-body strength to deliver a violent punch. There's also a lot to like about his willingness to play the run.
How he fits: With the loss of Ty Law, the Chiefs had to address the left corner spot opposite Patrick Surtain. Flowers is a physical player who plays bigger than his size indicates, which is a good fit in the Chiefs' defensive coverage schemes.

I think he'll have an easier time adjusting than Carr....

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