Walter Football: 2010 NFL Draft 9/9 update

[Tribal Warfare]

2010 NFL Mock Draft

Round 1 Round 2 Round 3

1)Kansas City Chiefs: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
The Chiefs invested $63 million into Matt Cassel. Whether this was a smart move or not is now irrelevant - what's done is done, and Scott Pioli is betting his Kansas City tenure on Cassel succeeding.

Unfortunately, one of Cassel's most glaring weaknesses, his tendency to take too many sacks, will be very prevalent in Kansas City because the team's offensive line is so horrendous.

Branden Albert is solid at left tackle, but Pioli didn't draft him and the Chiefs organization doesn't have that much money invested into him (about $3 million over the next four years). Pioli can afford to draft a franchise left tackle and move Albert around in an effort to give Cassel more time in the pocket.

33) Kansas City Chiefs: Eric Norwood, DE/OLB, South Carolina
The smart move here would be to add a rush linebacker to help an anemic pass rush that won't be any better in 2009 than it was in 2008. Eric Norwood opened the season with two sacks against N.C. State. He had 14.5 TFL and nine sacks in 2008.

55)Kansas City Chiefs: Evan Royster, RB, Penn State
The Chiefs should be able to cut Larry Johnson following the 2009 season. Evan Royster is a talented runner who would be a nice complement to Jamaal Charles.


65)Kansas City Chiefs: Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas
With Tony Gonzalez gone, Matt Cassel doesn't have much to work with outside of Dwayne Bowe. I've always liked Bobby Engram, but he's 36. Mark Bradley, Devard Darling? Meh.

[RustShack]

Even with how bad the Oline is, I think the first pick HAS to be a top flight NT such as Cody, or a Safety like Mays or Berry. Our defense needs a Polomalu, Reed, Sanders, Taylor(what he was/and still would be). We can still address the Oline in the second round though since we already have a first round LT.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Mike Williams was #4 and that reminds me ...

Mike Williams (#10), Reggie Bush (#2), Matt Leinhart(#10), Kenechi Udeze(#20), R. Jay Soward (#29)

AS I SAID, Texas may be slightly worse than others but not to a degree that warrants your dissmissive attitude toward EVERY player.

You plan on discounting Kindle as well?

The fact is... big programs get big hype... lots of players fall flat from all sorts of places... USC included.

There were more Texas players, and all but DJ were top 7 picks. Everyone you list there, save Bush, were taken later. Texas players, especially their high picks, fail at a much higher rate than players from other schools. LSU, Florida, OSU, Oklahoma, etc.

You can't equate a #29 pick busting to a #7 pick busting.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Even with how bad the Oline is, I think the first pick HAS to be a top flight NT such as Cody, or a Safety like Mays or Berry. Our defense needs a Polomalu, Reed, Sanders, Taylor(what he was/and still would be). We can still address the Oline in the second round though since we already have a first round LT.

This.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

And a decent list of UT guys as well, and U-M and Ohio State... the fact is... you can build an argument for bias for or against ANY big program. Fact is, the bias is crap.... unless you can show a valid reason... i.e. Texas runs a spread therefore it's QBs will be less prepared for the NFL. But to discount a Texas WR simply because you hate Texas is silly.

(and as to the coaching staff... I would be more willing to look at position coaches and make judgements then to look at HC, OC or DC)

I said nothing about hating Texas, that's bullshit. It's a red herring at best.

I said, multiple times, that Shipley lacks size, speed, quickness, he's old for a prospect, he's coming from a program with a bad track record, and he's coming from an offensive system that doesn't correlate well to NFL success.

If you don't believe that, then fine. But at least make an honest argument and don't lie about what I said.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Even with how bad the Oline is, I think the first pick HAS to be a top flight NT such as Cody, or a Safety like Mays or Berry. Our defense needs a Polomalu, Reed, Sanders, Taylor(what he was/and still would be). We can still address the Oline in the second round though since we already have a first round LT.

Well, if we are looking to fix the RIGHT side of our line we SHOULD be looking in the 2nd rd. I could see us go for a NT, an ELITE DE/OLB (Kindle, etc) or ELITE S (Mays, Berry) ... none of those picks would bother me in the least. The only other pick would be QB (if Cassel flops) or WR (if one shoots up the boards)... otherwise defense is the way to go.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Their review of the Chiefs draft last year was ****ing priceless.

...

Why Not Eugene Monroe? Monroe makes even less sense here; the Chiefs selected a left tackle (Branden Albert) last year, so taking Monroe and moving Albert around would be like choosing a guard or a right tackle at this spot. You don't do that at No. 3. [/I]

But next year you do that at #1?

WTF?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by jAZ

But next year you do that at #1?

WTF?

It's not what they should do, he's projecting what they will do. Walter Football sees Pioli as a bonehead, hence their draft grades and excoriation of his personnel moves.

[philfree]

33) Kansas City Chiefs: Eric Norwood, DE/OLB, South Carolina
The smart move here would be to add a rush linebacker to help an anemic pass rush that won't be any better in 2009 than it was in 2008. Eric Norwood opened the season with two sacks against N.C. State. He had 14.5 TFL and nine sacks in 2008.


I'm intrigued by Norwood. It's to early to say but he could be a really good pick at #33.

PhilFree

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I said nothing about hating Texas, that's bullshit. It's a red herring at best.

I said, multiple times, that Shipley lacks size, speed, quickness, he's old for a prospect, he's coming from a program with a bad track record, and he's coming from an offensive system that doesn't correlate well to NFL success.

If you don't believe that, then fine. But at least make an honest argument and don't lie about what I said.

I translated and added emphasis to the bolded part... maybe HATE would be strong but it seems you have a decided anti-texas BIAS at the least.

And I did counter the speed argument and the system argument in regards to WRs (Williams, Sweed, Finley, etc).. I will now counter the size argument... while not HUGE.. he is listed at 6'1" which is probably a solid 6" AGAIN I am not arguing he is a superstar but I will bet he will be solid. Guys like Shipley and Welker accomplish most of what they do based on their internal drive.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Well, if we are looking to fix the RIGHT side of our line we SHOULD be looking in the 2nd rd. I could see us go for a NT, an ELITE DE/OLB (Kindle, etc) or ELITE S (Mays, Berry) ... none of those picks would bother me in the least. The only other pick would be QB (if Cassel flops) or WR (if one shoots up the boards)... otherwise defense is the way to go.

We just can't pick a QB next year, even if Cassel is awful. Of course, that's also why we should have given him this year as an audition (plus we owned his rights in the advent of an uncapped year, so he couldn't leave via FA). Other than that, I agree. My enthusiasm for Kindle is tempered somewhat by UTs track record, but they are better at producing defensive linemen than other positions (DB, OL, QB, RB, etc.)

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's not what they should do, he's projecting what they will do. Walter Football sees Pioli as a bonehead, hence their draft grades and excoriation of his personnel moves.

No, this sentence is either true in 2009 and 2010.... or it's not true in either year.

Pioli can afford to draft a franchise left tackle and move Albert around in an effort to give Cassel more time in the pocket.

[veist]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Even with how bad the Oline is, I think the first pick HAS to be a top flight NT such as Cody, or a Safety like Mays or Berry. Our defense needs a Polomalu, Reed, Sanders, Taylor(what he was/and still would be). We can still address the Oline in the second round though since we already have a first round LT.

Cody isn't top flight, he's a fringe 1st round prospect that plays two downs in college and has conditioning issues. He's more likely to eat himself out of the league after getting a big payday than he is to make a single pro bowl.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by jAZ

No, this sentence is either true in 2009 and 2010.... or it's not true in either year.

Pioli can afford to draft a franchise left tackle and move Albert around in an effort to give Cassel more time in the pocket.

Yes, you're right. I'm conflating McGuire with the other guy.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We just can't pick a QB next year, even if Cassel is awful. Of course, that's also why we should have given him this year as an audition (plus we owned his rights in the advent of an uncapped year, so he couldn't leave via FA). Other than that, I agree. My enthusiasm for Kindle is tempered somewhat by UTs track record, but they are better at producing defensive linemen than other positions (DB, OL, QB, RB, etc.)

I agree actually with the QB pick assessment BUT I was just saying what picks wouldn't make me sick. I wouldn't be sick by the pick of a QB just sick that we wasted so much on Cassel (this is IF Cassel flops, not a projection here...)... As for Kindle, I am actually holding back total judgement on him until I see 2-3 more games... but I have a "feeling" he will be damn good in the NFL...