Chiefs It's all about the offensive line. - Page 4

Chris Meck · 10-25-2009, 05:45 PM

Seriously. We cannot run block. We cannot pass block. We cannot hang on to the ball, so our defense tires and gives up big plays.

No skill position player is going to amount to squat when the line is that bad.

People want to take a safety in the top 3? Really? What good is that going to do? We'll lose by 20 instead of 30, I guess.

This line needs a complete and total overhaul. That's as bad of a line as I've ever seen. A complete abortion.

Waters is just as bad as all the rest at this point in his career, too. the ONLY (kind of maybe) bright spots today were Barry Richardson's mediocre to fair job at LT and Smith at C did fair. The rest have no place on an NFL field.

milkman · 10-25-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

Yeah, because the Chiefs were solid at every other position.

If you weren't bitching about the OL you'd be bitching about some other position group Pioli "ignored".

We talked for months prior to the draft about the deep talent at O-Line that the draft had to offer.

If Pioli had followed the value of that draft, and gone O-Line, rather than spending a top 5 pick, and the third round pick on 5 tech DEs forcing an immediate change to the 34, and gone into this next draft looking for 34 defenders, this team would be better now, and would not have in any way hurt their progress for the future.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Link? Other than those from ROR?

Most said he had tremendous upside, and many were saying it would be absolutely the right decision to sit him his entire n00b year.

Simplex was pulling this not that long ago also, this is what it is. People so badly want to be positive and like this team pointing out any kind of reality is not welcomed.

I'm sorry to this point Scott Pioli is a fat reerun and Todd Haley is nothing more than a guy who screams and tries to talk a big game.

Simplex3 · 10-25-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I see Simplex is here to provide a great take.

The Chiefs ignored the value of the draft, simple as that. It's been said tons of times, ignore if you like.

I still don't know why you haven't sent your resume to the Chiefs. Seriously. You're a ****ing genius. Hell, you weren't wrong about ANYTHING in the last draft. You've been dead-on with EVERY player evaluation you've ever done. Any team would be lucky to have you.

**Rain Man** · 10-25-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Have you seen how valuable safeties are now?

The league is pass happy, having a playmaker at safety is something basically all of the top defenses have in common.

If they're worth first-round picks, most of the league doesn't know that. There have been no more than 18 1st-round safeties taken in the past 10 years.

Now, it is duly noted that pretty much every star safety is in that list - Reed, Polamalu, Sean Taylor, and maybe Rolle and Meriweather. But only 6 safeties have been top-ten picks. Five of the six have had some value, but only three have been good long-term answers (giving the benefit of the doubt to Sean Taylor).

If we were drafting 15th or 18th, sure, take a safety. But a top-ten safety had darn well better be a hall of famer, because it's an unusual investment.

2009
(None in first round)

2008
Kenny Phillips (31st pick)
Is Cason a safety (27th pick)

2007
Laron Landry (6th pick)
Michael Griffin (19th pick)
Brandon Meriweather (24th pick)

2006
Michael Huff (7th pick)
Donte Whitner (8th pick)

2005
Antrel Rolle (8th pick), but may have been drafted as a CB
Thomas Davis (14th pick), but now playing LB

2004
Sean Taylor (5th pick)

2003
Troy Polamalu (16th pick)

2002
Roy Williams (8th pick)
Ed Reed (24th pick)

2001
Adam Archuleta (20th pick)
Willie Middlebrooks (24th pick)
Jamar Fletcher (26th pick) (or was he a CB?)
Derrick Gibson (28th pick)

2000
(None)

1999
Fernando Bryant (26th pick) (or was he a CB?)

Simplex3 · 10-25-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Why are you so adamant about defending Pioli tonight?

Up to this point, it seems pretty undeniable that the dude has orchestrated a pretty impressive cluster ****.

He took on a team completely devoid of any talent. I'm not saying he's done a great job because the reality is nobody has a clue what he has or hasn't done yet.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

I still don't know why you haven't sent your resume to the Chiefs. Seriously. You're a ****ing genius. Hell, you weren't wrong about ANYTHING in the last draft. You've been dead-on with EVERY player evaluation you've ever done. Any team would be lucky to have you.

And here we are back to the "you don't work in the NFL" take.

Go **** yourself you dipshit, no one here works in the NFL. If you don't like my view ignore me or better yet go **** yourself in the eye with a rusty knife.

If that is the only argument you can ever go to, go get a better hobby like watching paint dry because it brings nothing. You just sound like one of the 500 Pats fans dipshits that invaded the forum.

Simplex3 · 10-25-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We talked for months prior to the draft about the deep talent at O-Line that the draft had to offer.

If Pioli had followed the value of that draft, and gone O-Line, rather than spending a top 5 pick, and the third round pick on 5 tech DEs forcing an immediate change to the 34, and gone into this next draft looking for 34 defenders, this team would be better now, and would not have in any way hurt their progress for the future.

Yup. You just KNOW they would be better.

Considering the number of you people that can see the future and can see ALTERNATE futures it's pretty surprising you aren't all rich off the stock market.

**DeezNutz** · 10-25-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

He took on a team completely devoid of any talent. I'm not saying he's done a great job because the reality is nobody has a clue what he has or hasn't done yet.

Why can't we analyze his decisions thus far?

Simplex3 · 10-25-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Simplex was pulling this not that long ago also, this is what it is. People so badly want to be positive and like this team pointing out any kind of reality is not welcomed.

I'm sorry to this point Scott Pioli is a fat reerun and Todd Haley is nothing more than a guy who screams and tries to talk a big game.

I'm not telling you to be positive, but to pretend you know what the hell is going to happen in the future and/or how the present would be different if you changed the past is patently reeruned.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:26 PM

We said this stuff before the draft ever happened, but if you'd like to make it up like we didn't just to make yourself feel better by all means.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Why can't we analyze his decisions thus far?

That makes us bad fans dude, I swear some people want this place to become WPI or the Coalition, if that's what you want, go post there.

ChiefsCountry · 10-25-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Link? Other than those from ROR?

Most said he had tremendous upside, and many were saying it would be absolutely the right decision to sit him his entire n00b year.

If it was my call this would have been our last week of the Jon Kitna/Joey Harrington era for the Chiefs. Sanchez wouldn't have played until this next game, which is after the bye.

milkman · 10-25-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

Yup. You just KNOW they would be better.

Considering the number of you people that can see the future and can see ALTERNATE futures it's pretty surprising you aren't all rich off the stock market.

I'm posting an opinion, and you're just being a dishonest ****hole.

Simplex3 · 10-25-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Why can't we analyze his decisions thus far?

Go for it. "I don't think", "I wish we would have", all valid points. "We suck and it's Pioli's fault because he didn't take my advice to do X" is ****ing dumb.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:29 PM

I don't think we should judge Dayton Moore either, how dare we!

10-25-2009, 05:45 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1455090	It's all about the offensive line. Seriously. We cannot run block. We cannot pass block. We cannot hang on to the ball, so our defense tires and gives up big plays. No skill position player is going to amount to squat when the line is that bad. People want to take a safety in the top 3? Really? What good is that going to do? We'll lose by 20 instead of 30, I guess. This line needs a complete and total overhaul. That's as bad of a line as I've ever seen. A complete abortion. Waters is just as bad as all the rest at this point in his career, too. the ONLY (kind of maybe) bright spots today were Barry Richardson's mediocre to fair job at LT and Smith at C did fair. The rest have no place on an NFL field.
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10-25-2009, 06:26 PM	#55
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	We said this stuff before the draft ever happened, but if you'd like to make it up like we didn't just to make yourself feel better by all means.
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10-25-2009, 06:29 PM	#60
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	I don't think we should judge Dayton Moore either, how dare we!
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