NFL Draft We are not taking a QB in the first round - Page 4

TheGuardian · 01-01-2010, 10:32 AM

Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn.

Just keep reading the title of this thread until it ****ing sinks in.

And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy.

I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth.

"He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ****ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are ****ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it.

Thank you and have a nice new years day.

Brock · 01-01-2010, 12:19 PM

Whatever the Chiefs do, you can nearly guarantee it will be a mistake.

milkman · 01-01-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Just like the Chargers aren't drafting Philip Rivers.

It was an absolute certainty that the Chargers were drafting QB in the first.

They had all but given up on Brees.

The fact is, the only reason Brees even got the opportunity to play that season is because of Rivers late arrival to camp.

TheGuardian · 01-01-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

It was an absolute certainty that the Chargers were drafting QB in the first.

They had all but given up on Brees.

The fact is, the only reason Brees even got the opportunity to play that season is because of Rivers late arrival to camp.

And Brees was not the Brees everyone knows now at that time. In fact, he'd been pretty awful up to that point.

CanadaKC · 01-01-2010, 12:23 PM

Give cassel another year...then if he continues along the suck path...draft Locker next year...he's the only QB I'd want anyways

Chiefshrink · 01-01-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

It was an absolute certainty that the Chargers were drafting QB in the first.

They had all but given up on Brees.

The fact is, the only reason Brees even got the opportunity to play that season is because of Rivers late arrival to camp.

So you are actually making a case for Cassel? You know, don't give up on Matt to soon!

TheGuardian · 01-01-2010, 12:25 PM

Cassel will get at minimum another year. I don't have a problem with bringing in a vet to push him, but we aren't drafting a guy in the first. I'm not sure what part of that some of you don't understand.

Coogs · 01-01-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC

Give cassel another year...then if he continues along the suck path...draft Locker next year...he's the only QB I'd want anyways

OK, let's say we improve the defense some and the offense some this off-season. And let's say our record improves to 6-10. How in the heck are you going to get Locker if he is projected to be the 1st overall pick in the draft. And I say that because many were saying he would have/will... went/go #1 this year.

RustShack · 01-01-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

OK, let's say we improve the defense some and the offense some this off-season. And let's say our record improves to 6-10. How in the heck are you going to get Locker if he is projected to be the 1st overall pick in the draft. And I say that because many were saying he would have/will... went/go #1 this year.

He didn't enter the draft because he was told by the draft advisory he was a second round pick...

Coogs · 01-01-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

He didn't enter the draft because he was told by the draft advisory he was a second round pick...

Casserly said last week on the CBS pregame show that it is not set in stone that Locker was going back to Washington.

Chiefshrink · 01-01-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

He has the last few weeks. The first 3/4ths of the season? Not so much.

And by the time you get to the last 1/4 of the season and actually start getting 'a little time' to throw you are so "sack shocked/running for your life shocked that you don't trust the protection in front of you that you actually are getting and have a tendency to be still in PTSD mode as any QB in the NFL would(including Brady,Brees and Manning).

LiveSteam · 01-01-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Whatever the Chiefs do, you can nearly guarantee it will be a mistake.

Charlie-W is a beaten down & Broken man.IMO you dont want this guy or the fricken QB form ND either

milkman · 01-01-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Sort of.

I'm saying that Pioli traded a 2nd rounder for him and gave him "28 million" just this past offseason. GM's, EVEN GOOD ONES, generally are in no hurry to admit a mistake or give up on a guy too soon. Cassel has shown that he CAN play at a high level, he just didn't behind a make shit line and throwing to WR's with concrete hands.

I agree to a certain extent here.

Pioli is not going to give up on Cassel after one season, so we won't be looking at QB in this draft.

However, some of the things you've discussed are not entirely correct.

Cassel only played well in the spread last year, and in spite of his poor accuracy, because of Moss, the most talented receiver in the game, defenses still had to respect the long ball, even though Cassel couldn't hit those with any consistency.
This allowed Welker to continue to excel, and to get big yac.

I don't see us getting a Randy Moss any time in the near future.

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

He has the last few weeks. The first 3/4ths of the season? Not so much.

The point is, he hasn't made any real strides, and in fact has stepped backwards, even though he has had protection.

Brock · 01-01-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Charlie-W is a beaten down & Broken man.IMO you dont want this guy or the fricken QB form ND either

I doubt Charlie W. is either beaten down or broken. He's a multimillionaire who can get an NFL job any time he wants one.

RustShack · 01-01-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Charlie-W is a beaten down & Broken man.IMO you dont want this guy or the fricken QB form ND either

Just because your not a good college HC in no way means your a bad NFL OC.

TheGuardian · 01-01-2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

And by the time you get to the last 1/4 of the season and actually start getting 'a little time' to throw you are so "sack shocked/running for your life shocked that you don't trust the protection in front of you that you actually are getting and have a tendency to be still in PTSD mode as any QB in the NFL would(including Brady,Brees and Manning).

I agree. Cassel gets happy feet fairly quick now from the beating he took earlier in the season. that's a very real issue with QB's who are behind bad lines for too long. The line has improved but he still doesn't trust them yet. But even with that said, he's got to learn to get rid of the ball quicker. One thing I notice with him is that he waits too long on a pattern to develop where you should be throwing to a spot on the field. One issue there is WR continuity.

So there are a lot of factors going into the suckage by Cassel this season. Which is why I'm perfectly fine waiting to see if improves this offseason with a little better line and WR's.

01-01-2010, 10:32 AM
TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6315299	We are not taking a QB in the first round Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn. Just keep reading the title of this thread until it **ing sinks in. And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy. I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth. "He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are **ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it. Thank you and have a nice new years day.
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TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6315299	Cassel will get at minimum another year. I don't have a problem with bringing in a vet to push him, but we aren't drafting a guy in the first. I'm not sure what part of that some of you don't understand.
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