Would you rather have Matt Schaub or Philip Rivers?

**The Franchise** · 02-11-2010, 12:36 AM

Draft 2010: The Quarterbacks

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/fea...rticleid=34736

1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma

Height/Weight: 6'4/223
College Experience: Fourth-year junior
Projected 40: 4.69
Comparison: Matt Schaub
2008* Stats: 328-of-483 (67.9%) for 4,720 yds (9.8 YPA), 50 TD/8 INT; 5 RUS TDs

Positives: There wasn't a more dominant QB in the nation over the course of Bradford's freshman and sophomore seasons. During that span, the Academic All American completed 68.6% of his attempts for 86 touchdowns and just 16 interceptions. Bradford left school as the NCAA's all-time leader in pass efficiency, demonstrating incredible accuracy and aggressiveness throwing downfield. Though Oklahoma's offense became more spread oriented late in Bradford's career, it still incorporated plenty of pro-style concepts and required the 2008 Heisman winner to make deep throws while taking his fair share of snaps from center and utilizing play action. When 100%, Bradford demonstrated above-average arm strength. Often executing precise throws on the move, the once-decorated high school basketball player is highly athletic.

Negatives: Bradford's 2009 season ended after three games when he aggravated an AC joint shoulder sprain originally suffered in the Sooners' opener. Dr. James Andrews performed a reconstruction on October 28, afterwards saying the surgery went "just as we expected." Despite his 6'4/223-pound listing at Oklahoma, Bradford often looked to be playing in the 200-pound range and could afford to bulk up. Bradford's passing mechanics were flawless for the Sooners' mostly-spread attack, but will change in a pro-style system. He was surrounded by countless high draft picks, including 2008 second-rounder Malcolm Kelly, 2009 third-rounder Juaquin Iglesias, likely 2010 first-round tight end Jermaine Gresham, and an annually star-studded Sooners offensive line.

Outlook: He's throwing three days a week and says his recovery is ahead of schedule. Bradford's calling cards are his accuracy, athleticism and smarts, making him an ideal fit for a West Coast offense. Early workout reports are good, but Bradford's showing at his March Pro Day will have a huge impact on his stock. Should he impress, Bradford could emerge as the favorite to be drafted No. 1 overall by St. Louis. Bradford won't get by the Bills at No. 9.

2. Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame

Height/Weight: 6'3/223
College Experience: Third-year junior
Projected 40: 4.91
Comparison: Philip Rivers
2009 Stats: 289-of-425 (68.0%) for 3,722 yds (8.8 YPA), 28 TD/4 INT

Positives: A three-year starter, Clausen's improvement between 2007 and 2009 was as dramatic as any quarterback at any stage of football during that span, indicating his trajectory is still pointing skyward. Clausen ranked third nationally in pass efficiency last season (only Tim Tebow and Boise State's Kellen Moore made fewer mistakes), improving his TD-to-INT ratio and completion rate to near-perfect levels. This was all despite Clausen playing nearly the entire year through torn toe ligaments, a poor offensive line, and star wideout Michael Floyd's six-week absence due to a broken collarbone. Clausen puts ideal zip on intermediate passes and benefited from Charlie Weis' pro-style offense, which required him to make NFL-style throws. Clausen's competitiveness and toughness are reminiscent of Philip Rivers', although they can be mistaken for overt cockiness and/or egotism.

Negatives: Clausen typically delivers the ball quickly, but tends to reel back his right arm abnormally far on deep passes. It's possible that elbow surgery prior to his freshman year cost Clausen some arm power, forcing him to compensate. On some downfield routes, Weis teaches his quarterback to essentially throw the ball up for grabs, which Clausen got away with because Floyd and Golden Tate were perhaps Division I's best receiver tandem last year. There have been rumors that Clausen was not a good teammate or leader. His career record was 16-18.

Outlook: Despite his pro-style background, Clausen has plenty of developing to do. He could've used another year in college, but that wasn't an option after Weis' firing. Like Bradford, Clausen will miss the Combine after having toe surgery early last month. When healthy, Clausen projects well into virtually any scheme because of his quality arm and above-average accuracy. If Buffalo passes on Clausen at No. 9, a team is sure to snare him in the mid- to late-first round.

Saccopoo · 02-11-2010, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

(only Tim Tebow and Boise State's Kellen Moore made fewer mistakes)

****ing tard.

This guy should have read the Chiefs Planet to find out that Tebow sucks and can't throw despite his NCAA career record at QB rating.

So what if the guy actually gets the ball to a receiver - he sucks.

So what if the spread is being utilized more and more in the pro game? (Anyone watch this last Super Bowl and noticed how many times each time either team got the quarterback under center in a "pro style" set?) - he sucks.

So what if the guy is a natural leader, is 6'3.5", 235 lbs., fast, accurate and wants to win? He sucks.

Make him a fullback.

**the Talking Can** · 02-11-2010, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

****ing tard.

This guy should have read the Chiefs Planet to find out that Tebow sucks and can't throw despite his NCAA career record at QB rating.

So what if the guy actually gets the ball to a receiver - he sucks.

So what if the spread is being utilized more and more in the pro game? (Anyone watch this last Super Bowl and noticed how many times each time either team got the quarterback under center in a "pro style" set?) - he sucks.

So what if the guy is a natural leader, is 6'3.5", 235 lbs., fast, accurate and wants to win? He sucks.

Make him a fullback.

Tebow blows and will not be a QB in the nfl...you use your eyes instead of the empty space where your brains should be...

BigCatDaddy · 02-11-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Tebow blows and will not be a QB in the nfl...you use your eyes instead of the empty space where your brains should be...

Agreed. He's a great college QB, but Danny Wuerffel was a better pro prospect IMO coming out of Florida then Tebow.

**the Talking Can** · 02-11-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Agreed. He's a great college QB, but Danny Wuerffel was a better pro prospect IMO coming out of Florida then Tebow.

lots of great college players have no business in the nfl...just a fact

**Reaper16** · 02-11-2010, 07:28 AM

I would rather have Rivers. And I'd rather have Clausen over Bradford. And Tebow will suck.

RustShack · 02-11-2010, 07:45 AM

Rivers. No contest.

Consistent1 · 02-11-2010, 08:43 AM

Can we have Andre with Schaub too?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2010, 08:47 AM

Matt Schaub has a MUCH stronger arm than Bradford.

Bradford should go to a dink-and-dunk WCO, whereas Schaub can stretch the field.

Other than being injury prone, I don't see the comparison.

penchief · 02-11-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Matt Schaub has a MUCH stronger arm than Bradford.

Bradford should go to a dink-and-dunk WCO, whereas Schaub can stretch the field.

Other than being injury prone, I don't see the comparison.

What I saw of Bradford when Oklahoma lost the National Championship game to Florida last year left me very impressed with his downfield accuracy. He seemed to be throwing twenty and thirty yards downfield with zip and laser-like accuracy. Looked like he could make all the throws to me. And he was threading the needle even when his receivers weren't catching the pass.

BigCatDaddy · 02-11-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by penchief

What I saw of Bradford when Oklahoma lost the National Championship game to Florida last year left me very impressed with his downfield accuracy. He seemed to be throwing twenty and thirty yards downfield with zip and laser-like accuracy. Looked like he could make all the throws to me. And he was threading the needle even when his receivers weren't catching the pass.

Shut it and stop with these facts and accuate observations. We on this board must be anti- Bradford, so we like to say he was only good because he just threw swing passes or had the greatest offensive line and receivers in NCAA history that were open by 15 yards every time.

Actually I'm on OU guy, but I'll tell you straight up if a player is all hype or can actually play. Bradford is an accurate QB downfield as you will find and will stand in the pocket and take a pop. He does have some durability issues, but the shots he has taken are pretty good shots. Brett Favre he is not, but Brodie Croyle he is not either.

Chiefnj2 · 02-11-2010, 08:54 AM

"Like Bradford, Clausen will miss the Combine after having toe surgery early last month"

I wasn't aware Clausen was going to miss the combine. That sucks.

Consistent1 · 02-11-2010, 09:01 AM

If Bradford is out, Clausen would only be taking a risk by doing the combine anyway IMO. I can't see anybody jumping up over the two of them.

Chiefnj2 · 02-11-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Consistent1

If Bradford is out, Clausen would only be taking a risk by doing the combine anyway IMO. I can't see anybody jumping up over the two of them.

As a fan it sucks, because we don't get to see them anymore. Pro Days for QB's are scripted and you rarely hear of a round 1-3 QB having a horrible pro day.

BigCatDaddy · 02-11-2010, 09:44 AM

I'll take Rivers over Schaub, but I would also take Bradford over Clausen.

I think a better comparison for Bradford is Kurt Warner.

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The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	Would you rather have Matt Schaub or Philip Rivers? Draft 2010: The Quarterbacks http://www.rotoworld.com/content/fea...rticleid=34736 1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Height/Weight: 6'4/223 College Experience: Fourth-year junior Projected 40: 4.69 Comparison: Matt Schaub 2008* Stats: 328-of-483 (67.9%) for 4,720 yds (9.8 YPA), 50 TD/8 INT; 5 RUS TDs Positives: There wasn't a more dominant QB in the nation over the course of Bradford's freshman and sophomore seasons. During that span, the Academic All American completed 68.6% of his attempts for 86 touchdowns and just 16 interceptions. Bradford left school as the NCAA's all-time leader in pass efficiency, demonstrating incredible accuracy and aggressiveness throwing downfield. Though Oklahoma's offense became more spread oriented late in Bradford's career, it still incorporated plenty of pro-style concepts and required the 2008 Heisman winner to make deep throws while taking his fair share of snaps from center and utilizing play action. When 100%, Bradford demonstrated above-average arm strength. Often executing precise throws on the move, the once-decorated high school basketball player is highly athletic. Negatives: Bradford's 2009 season ended after three games when he aggravated an AC joint shoulder sprain originally suffered in the Sooners' opener. Dr. James Andrews performed a reconstruction on October 28, afterwards saying the surgery went "just as we expected." Despite his 6'4/223-pound listing at Oklahoma, Bradford often looked to be playing in the 200-pound range and could afford to bulk up. Bradford's passing mechanics were flawless for the Sooners' mostly-spread attack, but will change in a pro-style system. He was surrounded by countless high draft picks, including 2008 second-rounder Malcolm Kelly, 2009 third-rounder Juaquin Iglesias, likely 2010 first-round tight end Jermaine Gresham, and an annually star-studded Sooners offensive line. Outlook: He's throwing three days a week and says his recovery is ahead of schedule. Bradford's calling cards are his accuracy, athleticism and smarts, making him an ideal fit for a West Coast offense. Early workout reports are good, but Bradford's showing at his March Pro Day will have a huge impact on his stock. Should he impress, Bradford could emerge as the favorite to be drafted No. 1 overall by St. Louis. Bradford won't get by the Bills at No. 9. 2. Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame Height/Weight: 6'3/223 College Experience: Third-year junior Projected 40: 4.91 Comparison: Philip Rivers 2009 Stats: 289-of-425 (68.0%) for 3,722 yds (8.8 YPA), 28 TD/4 INT Positives: A three-year starter, Clausen's improvement between 2007 and 2009 was as dramatic as any quarterback at any stage of football during that span, indicating his trajectory is still pointing skyward. Clausen ranked third nationally in pass efficiency last season (only Tim Tebow and Boise State's Kellen Moore made fewer mistakes), improving his TD-to-INT ratio and completion rate to near-perfect levels. This was all despite Clausen playing nearly the entire year through torn toe ligaments, a poor offensive line, and star wideout Michael Floyd's six-week absence due to a broken collarbone. Clausen puts ideal zip on intermediate passes and benefited from Charlie Weis' pro-style offense, which required him to make NFL-style throws. Clausen's competitiveness and toughness are reminiscent of Philip Rivers', although they can be mistaken for overt cockiness and/or egotism. Negatives: Clausen typically delivers the ball quickly, but tends to reel back his right arm abnormally far on deep passes. It's possible that elbow surgery prior to his freshman year cost Clausen some arm power, forcing him to compensate. On some downfield routes, Weis teaches his quarterback to essentially throw the ball up for grabs, which Clausen got away with because Floyd and Golden Tate were perhaps Division I's best receiver tandem last year. There have been rumors that Clausen was not a good teammate or leader. His career record was 16-18. Outlook: Despite his pro-style background, Clausen has plenty of developing to do. He could've used another year in college, but that wasn't an option after Weis' firing. Like Bradford, Clausen will miss the Combine after having toe surgery early last month. When healthy, Clausen projects well into virtually any scheme because of his quality arm and above-average accuracy. If Buffalo passes on Clausen at No. 9, a team is sure to snare him in the mid- to late-first round.
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