I'll do my preliminary top 16 mock, now full first round - Page 4

Mecca · 06:52 PM

More to come after the combine is done but this is how I see the top half of the draft shaking at right now...

1. St Louis-Sam Bradford QB, Oklahoma, I think this team will take a QB and I think Bradford will be their guy, now it may be at 1 or it may be at 3.

2. Detroit-Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraksa, The Lions really sit in a nice spot at 2, they will either get the best player or 2nd best player in the draft and fill a massive need at DT, they luck out here and get the best player in the draft.

3. Tampa Bay-Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma, Tampa gets one of the DT's which is what they want to make sure they get, here they settle with McCoy who is a very elite prospect in his own right inspite of being overshadowed by Suh.

4. Washington-Jimmy Clausen QB,Notre Dame, Washington has to get a QB and Shanahan gets a very naturally gifted player to mold how he wants here.

5. Kansas City-Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State, I don't like this at all but I think this comes down to doing the safe thing. I think this pick is between Okung and McClain and they'll settle on Okung as he has higher positional value and I don't think McClain will test well in workouts. I don't believe the Chiefs will strongly consider Berry in a deep safety class. This to me frankly comes down to Pioli not wanting Cassel to fail and going with the consensus pick as Okung is a pick basically no one will question nationally.

6. Seattle-Eric Berry, S, Tennessee, A team in need of playmakers has the best one in the draft fall right into their laps.

7. Cleveland-Joe Haden, CB, Florida, With a high number of players Cleveland would have coveted gone, they opt to go with the best player left. Wouldn't rule out Dan Williams here.

8. Oakland-Jason Pierre Paul, athletic freak with huge upside and Oakland, enough said.

9. Buffalo-Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee, Switching to 3-4 they opt to build up the defensive line first. Dan Williams in my view is going to be a very high riser and go somewhere in this area.

10. Denver-Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State-with the likely moving of Marshall this pick makes the most sense and is about where Bryant should go.

11. Jacksonville-Derrick Morgan-DE, GT, I'm not personally a big fan of Morgan but he fits what they do and they heavily need an end after the failure of Derrick Harvey to this point. The other best players left are OT's and they covered that last year.

12. Dolphins-Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama, Parcells makes the typical Parcells pick, guy loves LB's and hasn't drafted one in Miami yet. Not to mention they aren't high on Crowder and may be moving on from him. They might consider Kindle here if they sort out the ILB position.

13. San Fran-Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, basically the 49ers get a player with top 10 talent falling into their laps due to the teams in front of them.

14. Seattle-Charles Brown, OT, USC, Brown is a guy I expect to massively rise leading into the draft, he gained weight and is now over 300lbs, he's very athletic, he's a perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme that Carroll and Gibbs will employ.

15. New York Giants-Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas- I think Thomas will be viewed by many as a CB but the Giants need playmakers especially in the back 7 on defense. Thomas can either push Michael Johnson to the bench at FS or take over at CB and push Terrell Thomas back to FS.

16. Tennessee-Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida, Physically speaking Dunlap is a top 5 player but is very on and off, the Titans love ends with huge upside and he basically fits the profile of defensive linemen that they take.

17. San Fran-CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson, San Fran is a little torn here on whether to go with Mays or Spiller but they opt for maybe the best playmaker in this draft and he fills several holes for them.

18. Pittsburgh-Taylor Mays, S, USC, Basically a nightmare situation where Mays slides into a perfect situation for him. He will get excellent coaching and form possibility the best safety tandem in the game with Polamalu, outstanding compliments to each other and a very intimidating middle of the field.

19. Atlanta-Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri, Maybe a slight surprise but Weatherspoon is rising fast. With the defense Atlanta plays and the young players they'll be counting on to return this is a solid pick for him, he pairs with Lofton to make a nice young LB duo.

20. Houston-Brian Price, DT, UCLA, Price is a very very good player, outstanding at getting into the backfield, basically spent 3 years living in the opponents backfield in the Pac 10. Houston needed a DT badly to go with their other nice young D personnel is pretty thrilled he's here.

21. Cincy-Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois-Benn has all the physical tools, outstanding size, great speed, great returner, he just comes from playing with Juice Williams and also showed some durability and consistency issues. Cincy badly needs a playmaker on the outside, they opt for the most talented outside player on the board in Rejus.

22. New England-Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State, NE fills one of their needs at 5 tech DE with this pick, Odrick is very naturally gifted, in the mold that NE likes standing at 6'5 and about 300lbs also has a huge frame to grow. Would consider Kindle or Graham here but NE never uses high picks on LB's as Belichick prefers vets there.

23. Green Bay-Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas, Green Bay is thrilled to have him still on the board. Everyone would figure OT here but Ted Thompson is a best player on the board drafter and Kindle is that guy at this point. Should solidly transition to 3-4 OLB with experience as a 4-3 OLB and 4-3 DE. In some ways has similar experience as Clay Matthews did but wasn't as well coached but is more naturally talented, outstanding fit. If Kindle happens to be gone would likely heavily consider Brandon Graham.

24. Philly-Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Knowing what the Eagles value this is where I'd place this pick. They've had a lot of injury issues on the OL and some of their guys are starting to get older, the Eagles value OL more than any other team in the league. If they didn't go OL here I could see them possibly taking Gresham giving them nasty skill position players.

25. Baltimore-Damian Williams, WR, USC, Baltimore desperately needs WR's that can play right now, Williams is very polished, reminds me of a mix of the Giants Steve Smith and Reggie Wayne. So opting for the guy who is ready to contribute right now makes sense here.

26. Arizona-Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan-To good of a value to pass up for a team that needs pass rushers in a bad way.

27. Dallas-Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho, Perfect fit for the system the Cowboys run, would step into LG from day 1 kicking Kosier either off the team or to the bench, he's had serious problems staying healthy. Doug Free is ready to start at RT leaving Flozell Adams as the only OL they need to replace quickly.

28. San Diego-Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Williams falls a bit due to essentially being a RT but San Diego is happy to get him here filling one of their few needs.

29. New York Jets- Brandon Lafell, WR, LSU, The Jets don't have a ton of needs but a WR is a big one and Lafell fits how this team play. He's big, physical and has good hands. Bit of a down senior year but is excellent value here, Tate is also an option but Lafell fits better.

30. Minnesota-Jermaine Gresham, TE, Okahoma, Great value pick, Gresham is a top 15 talent falling to this pick do to injury.

31. Indy-Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland-Campbell may end up as a guard but Indy needs to get some better OL to improve their run game, calculated risk pick here.

32. New Orleans Navarro Bowman, OLB, Penn State, Bowman has some off the field issues but he is a prototype 4-3 OLB. Great natural talent that falls to this pick well worth the risk here.

**doomy3** · 02-26-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Call Buffalo and see if they want to move up.

That'd be awesome.

There is so much talent that will be available in the second round. I would LOVE to move back a few slots and net an extra second.

Titty Meat · 02-26-2010, 07:16 PM

I see Mecca also has Thomas ahead of Mays. Remember when I made that thread people thought I was crazy? Mays will probably be the better player for the first year or so but wait til Thomas put on 10 pounds.

Mecca · 02-26-2010, 07:18 PM

I think Thomas is going high because many teams will have him listed as a CB.

Thomas is not good in run support.

Titty Meat · 02-26-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think Thomas is going high because many teams will have him listed as a CB.

Thomas is not good in run support.

He's a ball hawk though.

Titty Meat · 02-26-2010, 07:21 PM

And I think Minnesota will draft Bowman. Leber is getting old and Shacoine (sp?) is a pretty good tight end.

Coogs · 02-26-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

According to Walter's last mock, Tebow would be available to us at our FOURTH round pick.

Pick #74 for Walt to Jax
Pick #47 for Matt to NE (wouldn't be there for us at #50)

Mecca · 02-26-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

And I think Minnesota will draft Bowman. Leber is getting old and Shacoine (sp?) is a pretty good tight end.

I have Bowman a little high actually, he has major character flaws.

Saccopoo · 02-26-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

According to Walter's last mock, Tebow would be available to us at our FOURTH round pick.

I like Tebow, but honestly, I don't know how we could pass up a lot of the talent that will be available in the second, at positions of major need.

Jacksonville will not let him slide past the second or third. The season ticket sales alone are worth the second round pick of Tebow by the Jags, and like someone said, with that guys work ethic, determination and physical attributes, I'm not betting against him that he won't be a pretty darn good NFL quarterback when it's all said and done.

Guys like Joe Montana and Tom Brady lasted until the fourth and sixth rounds respectively because of questions on their physical skills and potential. But you can't put a price on leadership and determination. And he's got that in spades.

Coogs · 02-26-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Jacksonville will not let him slide past the second or third. The season ticket sales alone are worth the second round pick of Tebow by the Jags, and like someone said, with that guys work ethic, determination and physical attributes, I'm not betting against him that he won't be a pretty darn good NFL quarterback when it's all said and done.

Guys like Joe Montana and Tom Brady lasted until the fourth and sixth rounds respectively because of questions on their physical skills and potential. But you can't put a price on leadership and determination. And he's got that in spades.

That would be me, and I agree with Jax won't let him by in the 2nd. That is why I would go with him with our first 2nd rounder. Then focus on filling spots of need matched with BPA.

**HemiEd** · 02-26-2010, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If you want to build this team on the line, then draft a ****ing G, C, or RT with a mid round pick.

Exactly, what about Will Shields did they miss? Instead, they threw 6ths and 7ths at the positions for several years, and came up with nothings.

Quesadilla Joe · 02-26-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Unfortunately, I think the top 4 picks are pretty much spot on as of today. And I know many people don't agree with me, but that last game of the season win against Denver could haunt us for many years to come.

That is what I said after the Jets won.

The Chiefs hurt there draft position and helped Denvers in a meaningless game.

Titty Meat · 02-26-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I have Bowman a little high actually, he has major character flaws.

I don't think Minnesota cares. Remember Harvin had character flaws too and so did Jarred Allen.

**RealSNR** · 02-27-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

That is what I said after the Jets won.

The Chiefs hurt there draft position and helped Denvers in a meaningless game.

Oh noez! We could have moved up and still selected Russell Okung!

WEER ALL GONNA DIE!!!

Mecca · 02-28-2010, 12:14 AM

Probably going to do another one of these after the combine, there's already a few changes coming.

**BossChief** · 02-28-2010, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Mays would go in the next couple of picks...

Anyway Boss what I was asking you was how much the Chiefs would value the combine, workouts, etc etc.

Okung is going to be far more impressive than McClain is in that regard.

I think Pioli has said that he values game film more than workouts, but I can see the workouts holding some deciding weight to who they draft.

02-26-2010, 03:07 AM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	I'll do my preliminary top 16 mock, now full first round More to come after the combine is done but this is how I see the top half of the draft shaking at right now... 1. St Louis-Sam Bradford QB, Oklahoma, I think this team will take a QB and I think Bradford will be their guy, now it may be at 1 or it may be at 3. 2. Detroit-Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraksa, The Lions really sit in a nice spot at 2, they will either get the best player or 2nd best player in the draft and fill a massive need at DT, they luck out here and get the best player in the draft. 3. Tampa Bay-Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma, Tampa gets one of the DT's which is what they want to make sure they get, here they settle with McCoy who is a very elite prospect in his own right inspite of being overshadowed by Suh. 4. Washington-Jimmy Clausen QB,Notre Dame, Washington has to get a QB and Shanahan gets a very naturally gifted player to mold how he wants here. 5. Kansas City-Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State, I don't like this at all but I think this comes down to doing the safe thing. I think this pick is between Okung and McClain and they'll settle on Okung as he has higher positional value and I don't think McClain will test well in workouts. I don't believe the Chiefs will strongly consider Berry in a deep safety class. This to me frankly comes down to Pioli not wanting Cassel to fail and going with the consensus pick as Okung is a pick basically no one will question nationally. 6. Seattle-Eric Berry, S, Tennessee, A team in need of playmakers has the best one in the draft fall right into their laps. 7. Cleveland-Joe Haden, CB, Florida, With a high number of players Cleveland would have coveted gone, they opt to go with the best player left. Wouldn't rule out Dan Williams here. 8. Oakland-Jason Pierre Paul, athletic freak with huge upside and Oakland, enough said. 9. Buffalo-Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee, Switching to 3-4 they opt to build up the defensive line first. Dan Williams in my view is going to be a very high riser and go somewhere in this area. 10. Denver-Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State-with the likely moving of Marshall this pick makes the most sense and is about where Bryant should go. 11. Jacksonville-Derrick Morgan-DE, GT, I'm not personally a big fan of Morgan but he fits what they do and they heavily need an end after the failure of Derrick Harvey to this point. The other best players left are OT's and they covered that last year. 12. Dolphins-Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama, Parcells makes the typical Parcells pick, guy loves LB's and hasn't drafted one in Miami yet. Not to mention they aren't high on Crowder and may be moving on from him. They might consider Kindle here if they sort out the ILB position. 13. San Fran-Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, basically the 49ers get a player with top 10 talent falling into their laps due to the teams in front of them. 14. Seattle-Charles Brown, OT, USC, Brown is a guy I expect to massively rise leading into the draft, he gained weight and is now over 300lbs, he's very athletic, he's a perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme that Carroll and Gibbs will employ. 15. New York Giants-Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas- I think Thomas will be viewed by many as a CB but the Giants need playmakers especially in the back 7 on defense. Thomas can either push Michael Johnson to the bench at FS or take over at CB and push Terrell Thomas back to FS. 16. Tennessee-Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida, Physically speaking Dunlap is a top 5 player but is very on and off, the Titans love ends with huge upside and he basically fits the profile of defensive linemen that they take. 17. San Fran-CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson, San Fran is a little torn here on whether to go with Mays or Spiller but they opt for maybe the best playmaker in this draft and he fills several holes for them. 18. Pittsburgh-Taylor Mays, S, USC, Basically a nightmare situation where Mays slides into a perfect situation for him. He will get excellent coaching and form possibility the best safety tandem in the game with Polamalu, outstanding compliments to each other and a very intimidating middle of the field. 19. Atlanta-Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri, Maybe a slight surprise but Weatherspoon is rising fast. With the defense Atlanta plays and the young players they'll be counting on to return this is a solid pick for him, he pairs with Lofton to make a nice young LB duo. 20. Houston-Brian Price, DT, UCLA, Price is a very very good player, outstanding at getting into the backfield, basically spent 3 years living in the opponents backfield in the Pac 10. Houston needed a DT badly to go with their other nice young D personnel is pretty thrilled he's here. 21. Cincy-Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois-Benn has all the physical tools, outstanding size, great speed, great returner, he just comes from playing with Juice Williams and also showed some durability and consistency issues. Cincy badly needs a playmaker on the outside, they opt for the most talented outside player on the board in Rejus. 22. New England-Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State, NE fills one of their needs at 5 tech DE with this pick, Odrick is very naturally gifted, in the mold that NE likes standing at 6'5 and about 300lbs also has a huge frame to grow. Would consider Kindle or Graham here but NE never uses high picks on LB's as Belichick prefers vets there. 23. Green Bay-Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas, Green Bay is thrilled to have him still on the board. Everyone would figure OT here but Ted Thompson is a best player on the board drafter and Kindle is that guy at this point. Should solidly transition to 3-4 OLB with experience as a 4-3 OLB and 4-3 DE. In some ways has similar experience as Clay Matthews did but wasn't as well coached but is more naturally talented, outstanding fit. If Kindle happens to be gone would likely heavily consider Brandon Graham. 24. Philly-Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Knowing what the Eagles value this is where I'd place this pick. They've had a lot of injury issues on the OL and some of their guys are starting to get older, the Eagles value OL more than any other team in the league. If they didn't go OL here I could see them possibly taking Gresham giving them nasty skill position players. 25. Baltimore-Damian Williams, WR, USC, Baltimore desperately needs WR's that can play right now, Williams is very polished, reminds me of a mix of the Giants Steve Smith and Reggie Wayne. So opting for the guy who is ready to contribute right now makes sense here. 26. Arizona-Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan-To good of a value to pass up for a team that needs pass rushers in a bad way. 27. Dallas-Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho, Perfect fit for the system the Cowboys run, would step into LG from day 1 kicking Kosier either off the team or to the bench, he's had serious problems staying healthy. Doug Free is ready to start at RT leaving Flozell Adams as the only OL they need to replace quickly. 28. San Diego-Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Williams falls a bit due to essentially being a RT but San Diego is happy to get him here filling one of their few needs. 29. New York Jets- Brandon Lafell, WR, LSU, The Jets don't have a ton of needs but a WR is a big one and Lafell fits how this team play. He's big, physical and has good hands. Bit of a down senior year but is excellent value here, Tate is also an option but Lafell fits better. 30. Minnesota-Jermaine Gresham, TE, Okahoma, Great value pick, Gresham is a top 15 talent falling to this pick do to injury. 31. Indy-Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland-Campbell may end up as a guard but Indy needs to get some better OL to improve their run game, calculated risk pick here. 32. New Orleans Navarro Bowman, OLB, Penn State, Bowman has some off the field issues but he is a prototype 4-3 OLB. Great natural talent that falls to this pick well worth the risk here. Last edited by Mecca; 02-26-2010 at 06:52 PM..
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