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Nightfyre · 04-22-2010, 10:50 PM

Trade 50 + 4.4 + 5.4 for 33.

33) Clausen
36) Kindle
68) Thomas/Joseph/Troup (whomever is available, in that order.)

aturnis · 04-22-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Trade 50 + 4.4 + 5.4 for 33.

33) Clausen
36) Kindle
68) Thomas/Joseph/Troup (whomever is available, in that order.)

Do we really need to give up that much? The picks that were switching hands in the trades thus far were pretty low. Maybe we just give up a 5th or two.

KCDC · 04-22-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Trade 50 + 4.4 + 5.4 for 33.

33) Clausen
36) Kindle
68) Thomas/Joseph/Troup (whomever is available, in that order.)

I support this!

Archie Bunker · 04-22-2010, 10:56 PM

A simple selection of Clausen would right so many wrongs. The Pats aren't shy about taking QBs so it might just happen.
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KurtCobain · 04-22-2010, 11:10 PM

Clausen. If not then Kindle.

ForeverChiefs58 · 04-22-2010, 11:25 PM

With the first round of the 75th NFL Draft complete, there's still plenty of talent available heading into Day 2. Nine of the 10 players in tier one of my "Hot 100" were taken in the top 32 picks. However, Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen remains the highest-rated player still on the board.

Draft moves to primetime:
» Round 1: Thursday, April 22 (7:30 p.m. ET)
» Rounds 2-3: Friday, April 23 (6 p.m. ET)
» Rounds 4-7: Saturday, April 24 (10 a.m. ET)

Here's a look at the best remaining players available, broken down by original tiers and listed alphabetically in each.

Tier One (1-10)
Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
6-2 5/8, 222
A very accurate passer. He threw only four interceptions in 2009 -- and one of those was a fluke that bounced off a player's back. He can work under center or in the shotgun. Well coached by Charlie Weis.

Tier Two (11-20)
Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas
6-2 7/8, 250
Outstanding athlete who was named high school player of the year for both offense (as a running back) and defense, something that had never been done in modern history. He can rush the passer or drop into space. Was outstanding vs. Alabama in the BCS title game.

Tier Three (21-30)
Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
6-5 ¾, 277
Very athletic to go with good quickness. Plays well vs. the run, but needs to mature and learn better pass rush moves.

Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
6-1 1/8, 216
The winningest quarterback in college history. Moves well and has a high release point. He is very accurate and can throw on the move. Had a great pro day.

Rodger Saffold, LT, Indiana
6-4 5/8, 315
Has started four years at left tackle for Indiana, a good pass protector and a big effort player on a mediocre team. Needs to add strength.

Tier Four (31-40)
Charles Brown, OT, USC
6-5 3/8, 303
Has very good athletic ability. Former tight end who has been coached well by Pat Ruel. Needs to add strength. Plays like Duane Brown of the Texans.

Everson Griffen, DE, USC
6-3 5/8, 303
Outstanding pass rusher. Great first-step quickness. Needs to be better versus the run. Has unlimited potential.

Linval Joseph, DT, East Carolina
6-4 ½, 328
Has really come on as the draft approaches. Has strength, size, speed and power. His best days are ahead.

Taylor Mays, S, USC
6-3 1/8, 230
Four-year starter at USC with great speed and athletic ability. Might be a better linebacker than safety at the pro level. His father, Stafford, played nine years in the NFL.

Brian Price, DT, UCLA
6-1 1/8, 303
Not as tall as you would like, but he makes up for it with quickness and explosiveness. Good athletic ability. Was the Pac-10 player of the year in 2009. Competes hard every play.

Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
5-10 ¼, 199
Former running back is still learning the position. Lined up all over the place for Notre Dame. Has return ability and catlike quickness.

Tier Five (41-50)
Nate Allen, S, South Florida
Outstanding athlete who can also play corner because he has very good man coverage skills.

Navorro Bowman, LB, Penn State
6-0 1/2, 242
Smart player who has very good instincts. Can play in space.

Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama
6-3 5/8, 354
Wide-bodied player, most likely a two-down player. Has worked hard to lose weight -- going from 370 at the end of the '09 season to 346. Will be a very good run stopper.

Vlad Ducasse, OT, Massachusetts
6-4 5/8, 332
Moved from Haiti at age 14. Did just average at the Senior Bowl and needs to work on his technique, but he has lots of upside and is a hard worker.

Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona
6-6, 264
Lots of upside; good blocker and receiver. Look at tape of 2008 game vs. Oregon and you will become a big fan.

Lamarr Houston, DL, Texas
6-2 3/4, 305
Has showed great improvement. He's a former running back with good quickness and strength. Made a lot of money for himself by staying in school an extra year.

Koa Misi, DE, Utah
6-2 5/8, 251
College defensive end that will be a very good 3-4 linebacker. Has top talent, just lacks linebacker experience.

Daryl Washington, LB, TCU
6-1 3/4, 230
Can play inside or outside. Has speed and is aggressive. Will bulk up to 250 pounds. Lacks good hands.

Tier Six (51-60)
Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois; Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland (down from Tier 1); Eric Decker, WR, Minnesota (up from Tier 7); Sean Lee, OLB, Penn State (down from tier 5); Tony Moeaki, TE, Iowa; Eric Norwood, ILB, South Carolina (up from Tier 7); Brandon Spikes, LB, Florida; Al Woods, DL, LSU; Jason Worilds, DL/LB, Virginia Tech.

Tier Seven (61-70)
Zane Beadles, OT, Utah (new to Hot 100); Morgan Burnett, S, Georgia Tech; Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma State (up from Tier 9); Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee; Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida (new to Hot 100); Carlton Mitchell, WR, South Florida (new to Hot 100); Jerome Murphy, CB, South Florida (down from Tier 6); Ricky Sapp, LB/DE, Clemson; Ben Tate, RB, Auburn (up from Tier 8); Damian Williams, WR, USC (up from Tier 8)

Tier Eight (71-80)
Alex Carrington, DE, Arkansas State; Chris Cook, CB, Virginia (up from Tier 9); Ed Dickson, TE, Oregon (up from Tier 9); Thaddeus Gibson, DE/OLB, Ohio State (down from Tier 6); A.J. Jefferson, CB, Fresno State (new to Hot 100); Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest; John Jerry, G, Mississippi; Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas (up from Tier 9); Cam Thomas, DL, North Carolina (down from Tier 7); Torell Troup, DL, Central Florida (down from Tier 6); Corey Wooton, DE, Northwestern.

Tier Nine (81-90)
Jon Asamoah, G, Illinois (down from Tier 8); Donald Butler, LB, Washington (new to Hot 100); Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia; Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State; Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford; Dexter McCluster, RB, Mississippi; Joe McKnight, RB, USC (up from Tier 10); Dennis Pitta, TE, BYU (new to Hot 100); D'Anthony Smith, DT, Louisiana Tech (up from Tier 10); Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale College..

Tier Ten (91-100)
Javier Arenas, CB, Alabama; Rennie Curran, LB, Georgia (new to Hot 100); Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson; Dominique Franks, CB, Oklahoma (down from Tier 7); Chad Jones, S, LSU; Myron Lewis, CB, Vanderbilt (new to Hot 100); Roddrick Muckelroy, ILB, Texas; Corey Peters, DT, Kentucky (new to Hot 100); Walter Thurmond, CB, Oregon; T.J. Ward, S, Oregon (new to Hot 100).

philfree · 04-23-2010, 12:10 AM

I could see them drafting a player like Saffold. Which he'd help but it's not sexy. Claussen or Kindle are on my short list. Kindle falling to us could be a perfect fit. Of course so would Tate.

PhilFree

Chiefshrink · 04-23-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I could see them drafting a player like Saffold. Which he'd help but it's not sexy. Claussen or Kindle are on my short list. Kindle falling to us could be a perfect fit. Of course so would Tate.

PhilFree

I bet we get Saffold with one of our 2nds.

melbar · 04-23-2010, 12:13 AM

I gotta say Kindle as the best 3-4 pass rusher in the draft would be a nice pickup. Tate as a slot guy familiar with the system who also returns kicks would also be a great pickup.

Chiefshrink · 04-23-2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar

I gotta say Kindle as the best 3-4 pass rusher in the draft would be a nice pickup. Tate as a slot guy familiar with the system who also returns kicks would also be a great pickup.

Anyone of these players in any comb of our next 3picks and I will be happy

Kindle
Mays
Saffold
Joseph
Tate

melbar · 04-23-2010, 12:24 AM

I also kinda like Spikes. Fearless thumper in the middle with attitude. I would love Troup later too. Just really like him for some reason. Little raw, but very strong and big.

mikey23545 · 04-23-2010, 12:26 AM

Give me Kindle and Cody in round 2 and we have reshaped the D for years...

And when the titties are a bouncin' the Chiefs will be trouncin'...

**CrazyPhuD** · 04-23-2010, 01:39 AM

Personally would love to see mays and cody in 2, risky but interesting potential, but I wouldn't be unhappy with kindle or tate along the way.

Wilson8 · 04-23-2010, 02:42 AM

The best available player is QB Jimmy Clausen at pick 33 where the Rams sit now. According to the trade value table the 33rd pick is valued at 580 points. Our pick at 36 is 550 points. Our 5B pick would be worth 35 points for a total of 585 points. It could be a seller's market though if enough teams want Clausen, so it could take more than the 5B pick. Also St. Louis needs a DE to replace Little so they may want to use pick 33 on Sergio Kindle (next best available value). I think the Vikings take Clausen if he is still there at 34. Tampa Bay goes with WR Benn or Tate. If KC sits at 36 the best value might be with Saffold.

Looking forward to tomorrow to see how this all unfolds.

Pioli Zombie · 04-23-2010, 05:29 AM

Clausen IS great value at 36 so it wouldn't be a bad pick at all if he's available. So how do you like the Tony G trade now? Another pick at 50.

04-22-2010, 10:50 PM	#1
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1298849	Trade 50 + 4.4 + 5.4 for 33. 33) Clausen 36) Kindle 68) Thomas/Joseph/Troup (whomever is available, in that order.)
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04-22-2010, 10:56 PM	#4
Archie Bunker The Wait Is Over Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Random Small Town Casino cash: $-701022	A simple selection of Clausen would right so many wrongs. The Pats aren't shy about taking QBs so it might just happen. Posted via Mobile Device
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04-22-2010, 11:10 PM	#5
KurtCobain legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Independence, MO Casino cash: $-3347903	Clausen. If not then Kindle.
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04-22-2010, 11:25 PM	#6
ForeverChiefs58 MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $655326	With the first round of the 75th NFL Draft complete, there's still plenty of talent available heading into Day 2. Nine of the 10 players in tier one of my "Hot 100" were taken in the top 32 picks. However, Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen remains the highest-rated player still on the board. Draft moves to primetime: » Round 1: Thursday, April 22 (7:30 p.m. ET) » Rounds 2-3: Friday, April 23 (6 p.m. ET) » Rounds 4-7: Saturday, April 24 (10 a.m. ET) Here's a look at the best remaining players available, broken down by original tiers and listed alphabetically in each. Tier One (1-10) Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame 6-2 5/8, 222 A very accurate passer. He threw only four interceptions in 2009 -- and one of those was a fluke that bounced off a player's back. He can work under center or in the shotgun. Well coached by Charlie Weis. Tier Two (11-20) Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas 6-2 7/8, 250 Outstanding athlete who was named high school player of the year for both offense (as a running back) and defense, something that had never been done in modern history. He can rush the passer or drop into space. Was outstanding vs. Alabama in the BCS title game. Tier Three (21-30) Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida 6-5 ¾, 277 Very athletic to go with good quickness. Plays well vs. the run, but needs to mature and learn better pass rush moves. Colt McCoy, QB, Texas 6-1 1/8, 216 The winningest quarterback in college history. Moves well and has a high release point. He is very accurate and can throw on the move. Had a great pro day. Rodger Saffold, LT, Indiana 6-4 5/8, 315 Has started four years at left tackle for Indiana, a good pass protector and a big effort player on a mediocre team. Needs to add strength. Tier Four (31-40) Charles Brown, OT, USC 6-5 3/8, 303 Has very good athletic ability. Former tight end who has been coached well by Pat Ruel. Needs to add strength. Plays like Duane Brown of the Texans. Everson Griffen, DE, USC 6-3 5/8, 303 Outstanding pass rusher. Great first-step quickness. Needs to be better versus the run. Has unlimited potential. Linval Joseph, DT, East Carolina 6-4 ½, 328 Has really come on as the draft approaches. Has strength, size, speed and power. His best days are ahead. Taylor Mays, S, USC 6-3 1/8, 230 Four-year starter at USC with great speed and athletic ability. Might be a better linebacker than safety at the pro level. His father, Stafford, played nine years in the NFL. Brian Price, DT, UCLA 6-1 1/8, 303 Not as tall as you would like, but he makes up for it with quickness and explosiveness. Good athletic ability. Was the Pac-10 player of the year in 2009. Competes hard every play. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame 5-10 ¼, 199 Former running back is still learning the position. Lined up all over the place for Notre Dame. Has return ability and catlike quickness. Tier Five (41-50) Nate Allen, S, South Florida Outstanding athlete who can also play corner because he has very good man coverage skills. Navorro Bowman, LB, Penn State 6-0 1/2, 242 Smart player who has very good instincts. Can play in space. Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama 6-3 5/8, 354 Wide-bodied player, most likely a two-down player. Has worked hard to lose weight -- going from 370 at the end of the '09 season to 346. Will be a very good run stopper. Vlad Ducasse, OT, Massachusetts 6-4 5/8, 332 Moved from Haiti at age 14. Did just average at the Senior Bowl and needs to work on his technique, but he has lots of upside and is a hard worker. Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona 6-6, 264 Lots of upside; good blocker and receiver. Look at tape of 2008 game vs. Oregon and you will become a big fan. Lamarr Houston, DL, Texas 6-2 3/4, 305 Has showed great improvement. He's a former running back with good quickness and strength. Made a lot of money for himself by staying in school an extra year. Koa Misi, DE, Utah 6-2 5/8, 251 College defensive end that will be a very good 3-4 linebacker. Has top talent, just lacks linebacker experience. Daryl Washington, LB, TCU 6-1 3/4, 230 Can play inside or outside. Has speed and is aggressive. Will bulk up to 250 pounds. Lacks good hands. Tier Six (51-60) Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois; Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland (down from Tier 1); Eric Decker, WR, Minnesota (up from Tier 7); Sean Lee, OLB, Penn State (down from tier 5); Tony Moeaki, TE, Iowa; Eric Norwood, ILB, South Carolina (up from Tier 7); Brandon Spikes, LB, Florida; Al Woods, DL, LSU; Jason Worilds, DL/LB, Virginia Tech. Tier Seven (61-70) Zane Beadles, OT, Utah (new to Hot 100); Morgan Burnett, S, Georgia Tech; Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma State (up from Tier 9); Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee; Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida (new to Hot 100); Carlton Mitchell, WR, South Florida (new to Hot 100); Jerome Murphy, CB, South Florida (down from Tier 6); Ricky Sapp, LB/DE, Clemson; Ben Tate, RB, Auburn (up from Tier 8); Damian Williams, WR, USC (up from Tier 8) Tier Eight (71-80) Alex Carrington, DE, Arkansas State; Chris Cook, CB, Virginia (up from Tier 9); Ed Dickson, TE, Oregon (up from Tier 9); Thaddeus Gibson, DE/OLB, Ohio State (down from Tier 6); A.J. Jefferson, CB, Fresno State (new to Hot 100); Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest; John Jerry, G, Mississippi; Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas (up from Tier 9); Cam Thomas, DL, North Carolina (down from Tier 7); Torell Troup, DL, Central Florida (down from Tier 6); Corey Wooton, DE, Northwestern. Tier Nine (81-90) Jon Asamoah, G, Illinois (down from Tier 8); Donald Butler, LB, Washington (new to Hot 100); Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia; Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State; Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford; Dexter McCluster, RB, Mississippi; Joe McKnight, RB, USC (up from Tier 10); Dennis Pitta, TE, BYU (new to Hot 100); D'Anthony Smith, DT, Louisiana Tech (up from Tier 10); Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale College.. Tier Ten (91-100) Javier Arenas, CB, Alabama; Rennie Curran, LB, Georgia (new to Hot 100); Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson; Dominique Franks, CB, Oklahoma (down from Tier 7); Chad Jones, S, LSU; Myron Lewis, CB, Vanderbilt (new to Hot 100); Roddrick Muckelroy, ILB, Texas; Corey Peters, DT, Kentucky (new to Hot 100); Walter Thurmond, CB, Oregon; T.J. Ward, S, Oregon (new to Hot 100).
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04-23-2010, 02:42 AM	#14
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2827557	The best available player is QB Jimmy Clausen at pick 33 where the Rams sit now. According to the trade value table the 33rd pick is valued at 580 points. Our pick at 36 is 550 points. Our 5B pick would be worth 35 points for a total of 585 points. It could be a seller's market though if enough teams want Clausen, so it could take more than the 5B pick. Also St. Louis needs a DE to replace Little so they may want to use pick 33 on Sergio Kindle (next best available value). I think the Vikings take Clausen if he is still there at 34. Tampa Bay goes with WR Benn or Tate. If KC sits at 36 the best value might be with Saffold. Looking forward to tomorrow to see how this all unfolds.
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04-23-2010, 05:29 AM	#15
Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Clausen IS great value at 36 so it wouldn't be a bad pick at all if he's available. So how do you like the Tony G trade now? Another pick at 50.
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