Chiefs This is why we didn't focus on the front 7... - Page 4

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 03:57 PM

I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was...

I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively...

Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)...

The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out:

Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating)

Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2

Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating)

E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating)

Romo 350 yards (113 rating)

Rivers 270 yards (123 rating)

Garrard 270 yards (111 rating)

Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating)

Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed

Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed

Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed

Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC

...

Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 04:48 PM

hey OTWP...

how many rushing TD's did we give up in the first 9 games...and how many passing TD's did we give up?

**the Talking Can** · 04-26-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Hootie has a legit point. Mitch Holthus was talking about how bad the play in the middle of the field was for us last year which is why they drafted Berry to stop alot of that. In case you guys need to be reminded every single one of you in this thread constantly bitched about how Brown sucked and was a huge reason why the D sucked. He endlessly got blamed for alot of shit rightfully so.

our problems in the middle of the field were largely on our lbs

and hooties point - which is the point we're all responding too - is based on a) factual inaccuracies and b) a pretty complete lack of understanding of basic defense....our pass problems and run problems stem from the same source: shitty play from our front 7

Berry will help clean up some of the mistakes...but he can't magically make our front 7 do their jobs....

**dirk digler** · 04-26-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I don't know ANYONE who has a problem with Eric Berry being picked at 5.

I was listening to Petro today and he said he would have taken OL but he was happy with Berry

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-26-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

do I really have to post your track record for the 50TH time in the last 3 days?

Every time I post my draft record, you run away. It's not my fault you don't know who solid young players like Goff, Branch, Knighton, and Decoud, among others, are.

That's what happens when your knowledge of a sport is encompassed by FFL.

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 04:50 PM

hey OTWP...

how many passing yards went against us in the 1st half as opposed to the 2nd half for the first 9 games?

I bet the reason why teams had more rushing yards in the 1st half against us then the 2nd half is because they had more passing yards, too...more yards in general...more opportunity...less dead possessions at the end of games.

Mecca · 04-26-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I was listening to Petro today and he said he would have taken OL but he was happy with Berry

Considering he said 500 times you don't use first round picks on safeties he kinda has to save his argument.

Demonpenz · 04-26-2010, 04:51 PM

our D sucked and we needed playmakers all over the field. So we got Romeo and we drafted playmakers

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-26-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

hey OTWP...

how many rushing TD's did we give up in the first 9 games...and how many passing TD's did we give up?

The last 8 games are way more important to me than the first 8 when you're a young, non playoff team rebuilding. JMO.

I don't have the answer you're looking for.

**Iowanian** · 04-26-2010, 04:51 PM

Hootie,

As much as I wish you had better ground to stand on, it turns out your trampoline is a muskeg bog and you've broken through the surface.

Yes, the run defense and the front 7 struggled, and their lack of regular pressure on the qb exposed the secondary. Even great corners and safeties can only cover for so long before the wrs are going to get open.

Improving speed at the safety position and at the nickle will definitely help, but the front 7 is going to have to put alot more pressure on the qb to improve the pass D.

**the Talking Can** · 04-26-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I don't know ANYONE who has a problem with Eric Berry being picked at 5.

this board exploded in joy when we picked Berry

it's my favorite draft pick since i don't when

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-26-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

our D sucked and we needed playmakers all over the field. So we got Romeo and we drafted playmakers

We could totally line McCluster up at CB.

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Every time I post my draft record, you run away. It's not my fault you don't know who solid young players like Goff, Branch, Knighton, and Decoud, among others, are.

That's what happens when your knowledge of a sport is encompassed by FFL.

I responded to it yesterday...I never ran away in the first place...

if that was the draft for any NFL team they'd be like...this dude is an idiot...

If they took Gholston #1 overall instead of Jake Long...I can only imagine what the talk around Miami would be right now...

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-26-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

this board exploded in joy when we picked Berry

it's my favorite draft pick since i don't when

I came over DJ. Looks like I was wrong there. I came over Dorsey. I don't think I was wrong there, but I don't know if anyone will ever truly know. Berry made me just as happy. Maybe more. He's a dynamic play maker. You know, in an area that we desperately needed one.

**dirk digler** · 04-26-2010, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

our problems in the middle of the field were largely on our lbs

and hooties point - which is the point we're all responding too - is based on a) factual inaccuracies and b) a pretty complete lack of understanding of basic defense....our pass problems and run problems stem from the same source: shitty play from our front 7

Berry will help clean up some of the mistakes...but he can't magically make our front 7 do their jobs....

I would add that our safety play also contributed alot to that as well but I don't disagree at all that we need to generate some kind of pass rush. Though I would like to see the stat on Hali on QB hurries because it seemed like he was getting close alot of times but that could be my memory failing me.

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

Hootie,

As much as I wish you had better ground to stand on, it turns out your trampoline is a muskeg bog and you've broken through the surface.

Yes, the run defense and the front 7 struggled, and their lack of regular pressure on the qb exposed the secondary. Even great corners and safeties can only cover for so long before the wrs are going to get open.

Improving speed at the safety position and at the nickle will definitely help, but the front 7 is going to have to put alot more pressure on the qb to improve the pass D.

Dude I agree that our front 7 sucked...

But we have talent there...Dorsey/Jackson/Hali...we have more talent on our DL than we did in our secondary...it's a process...upgrading with Berry and Arenas is every bit as good as upgrading with Cody and Kindle...probably better in all honesty...since Cody's are dime a dozen players and Kindle is a huge ???

04-26-2010, 03:57 PM
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	This is why we didn't focus on the front 7... I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was... I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively... Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)... The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out: Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating) Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2 Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating) E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating) Romo 350 yards (113 rating) Rivers 270 yards (123 rating) Garrard 270 yards (111 rating) Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating) Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC ... Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.
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04-26-2010, 04:48 PM	#46
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	hey OTWP... how many rushing TD's did we give up in the first 9 games...and how many passing TD's did we give up?
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04-26-2010, 04:50 PM	#50
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	hey OTWP... how many passing yards went against us in the 1st half as opposed to the 2nd half for the first 9 games? I bet the reason why teams had more rushing yards in the 1st half against us then the 2nd half is because they had more passing yards, too...more yards in general...more opportunity...less dead possessions at the end of games.
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04-26-2010, 04:51 PM	#52
Demonpenz Woman should only make babies Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $2742136	our D sucked and we needed playmakers all over the field. So we got Romeo and we drafted playmakers __________________
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04-26-2010, 04:51 PM	#54
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4608454	Hootie, As much as I wish you had better ground to stand on, it turns out your trampoline is a muskeg bog and you've broken through the surface. Yes, the run defense and the front 7 struggled, and their lack of regular pressure on the qb exposed the secondary. Even great corners and safeties can only cover for so long before the wrs are going to get open. Improving speed at the safety position and at the nickle will definitely help, but the front 7 is going to have to put alot more pressure on the qb to improve the pass D.
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