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Old 06-13-2010, 01:29 PM  
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Would Haley/Weis ever consider Croyle instead of Cassel?
First and foremost, leave out the Croyle is injury prone issue.

That done, let's proceed...

Haley has said many, many times that the players that give us the best chance to win will play.

Reports from the OTA's have pretty much said that Cassel's performance during practice pretty much mirrored last season production during games. Very inconsistant.

Even though Croyle's practice time was cut short, it seems as though his reports were pretty glowing.

Croyle has been given about the same amount of time to groom for the QB position as Cassel (and Rodgers for comparison) with a few more actual game apperances prior to Cassel taking over for the Pats.

If this pattern continues in the preseason, do you think we could actually have a QB controversy that is legit, and that Haley would pull the switch if he thinks it would be best for the overall good of the team?
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:49 PM   #46
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:50 PM   #47
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Brokie has no business being on an NFL roster. He can't step onto the field without getting hurt. It's over.
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:50 PM   #48
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I don't agree. Cassel has won 15 games as an NFL QB.

Croyle has won zero.
Cassel is awesome. He won all those games on his own.
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:53 PM   #49
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Cassel is awesome. He won all those games on his own.
It's a team game.

Seriously, what has Croyle ever done? Ever? Even that Baltimore game was fairly unimpressive. The offense scored 10 points, the defense handed them 7 more, and the special teams scored the other 7.

Brodie Croyle has never even led an offense to 20 points.
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:53 PM   #50
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I don't agree. Cassel has won 15 games as an NFL QB.

Croyle has won zero.


Cassel won 11 games with ALL STAR talent and still got nowhere.


Croyle won 0 games with NO TALENT and still got nowhere.

So in the end, it does not matter.

You mean to tell me if you give Croyle guys like Wes Welker and Randy Moss and that offensive line of the Patriots that he wouldn't do a better job than Cassel did? I find that hard to believe. Get Croyle in a system were every guy around him is actually good with one of if not the best coaching in the league and this isn't even an argument.

What Cassel has had for his success was a luxury and a golden opportunity. It could have been any back up nobody QB that stepped into that system that season and could have won 11 games on that team with their eyes closed.
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:53 PM   #51
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Croyle took a bigger hit in Baltimore than Bradford could take
The lifespan of a head coach is far too short to worry about $$
even less so with a 4-12 season in the books
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:54 PM   #52
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These are two very differrent questions:
Would Haley go with Croyle over Cassel if Croyle has a better training camp?
Would Haley/Weis ever consider Croyle instead of Cassel?

I do believe Haley would start Croyle over Cassel but I do not believe it would happen game one, unless Cassel were injured. Based on the trade and the contract, Cassel will start game one- wouldn't even matter if every single pass he throws between now and game one is an interception returned for a touchdown. Cassel will start the season.
They are not exact, but similar. Similar enough that you know what I meant.
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Cassel won 11 games with ALL STAR talent and still got nowhere.


Croyle won 0 games with NO TALENT and still got nowhere.

So in the end, it does not matter.

You mean to tell me if you give Croyle guys like Wes Welker and Randy Moss and that offensive line of the Patriots that he wouldn't do a better job than Cassel did? I find that hard to believe. Get Croyle in a system where every guy around him is actually good with one of if not the best coaching in the league and this isn't even an argument.

What Cassel has hard for his success was a luxury and a golden opportunity. It could have been any back up nobody QB that stepped into that system that season and could have won 11 games on that team with their eyes closed.
He still wouldn't win with the Patriots. He'd get injured calling heads or tails at the coin toss
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You mean to tell me if you give Croyle guys like Wes Welker and Randy Moss and that offensive line of the Patriots that he wouldn't do a better job than Cassel did? I find that hard to believe.
I don't think he would have won 11 games.

I don't think some of you realize how well Cassel played that year. He wasn't dogshit. He made plays I've NEVER seen Croyle make.

He threw for 400 yards and rushed for 60 in one game.

Croyle has one 200-yard game his entire career. One.

Now, maybe if Croyle had been drafted by the Patriots and avoided the Herm Edwards mind****, he'd be a different player today. But he's not. He's never going to amount to a hill of beans in this league.
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It's a team game.

Seriously, what has Croyle ever done? Ever? Even that Baltimore game was fairly unimpressive. The offense scored 10 points, the defense handed them 7 more, and the special teams scored the other 7.

Brodie Croyle has never even led an offense to 20 points.
What the offense scored 10 points? Is that a joke? Croyle threw TWO touchdown passes that game and tied it with 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter.

On a team that game that had:
LJ runs for a 1.8 YPC
No Brandon Flowers on defense
No Chris Chambers

Think about the shit he had to work with that game, half the guys he was throwing to aren't even on the team anymore.
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I don't think he would have won 11 games.

I don't think some of you realize how well Cassel played that year. He wasn't dogshit. He made plays I've NEVER seen Croyle make.

He threw for 400 yards and rushed for 60 in one game.

Croyle has one 200-yard game his entire career. One.

Now, maybe if Croyle had been drafted by the Patriots and avoided the Herm Edwards mind****, he'd be a different player today. But he's not. He's never going to amount to a hill of beans in this league.

People on this forum can throw for 400 yards in a game when you have Randy Moss over the top and Wes Welker running under routes all day. They weren't the best WR duo in the league or anything, that team was coming off a ****ing 18-1 season, like seriously, that Pats team was STACKED for Cassel.
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you can't leave out his injury prone stuff ... if he wasn't made of glass he would already be our starter. probably and dang good starter at that

He would of been our starter before Pioli got here and Cassel wouldn't even be here.
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What the offense scored 10 points? Is that a joke? Croyle threw TWO touchdown passes that game and tied it with 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter.
Croyle led two drives worth a crap that entire game. It really wasn't that impressive.

The Chiefs had barely 50 yards of offense at halftime....
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