Chiefs TJ was better than Charles in Cleveland. - Page 4

SenselessChiefsFan · 09-23-2010, 09:36 AM

I know this will catch some grief, but the reality is that other than the 20 yard run against a defense expecting a pass at the end of the first half, JC averaged less than 3 yards a carry and broke no runs of longer than 10 yards.

Charles got the ball on 3-1 at the Cleveland six at 9:31 to go in the third quarter. At that point, TJ had one more carry than Charles. One.

Charles took a two yard loss. At that point, the Chiefs started going to TJ more and more down the stretch.

I won't blame that solely on Charles, it was a combination of blocking, defense, etc.

But, clearly, the match up versus Cleveland favored Thomas Jones. It was evident in nearly every carry other than the one that JC got at the end of the half.

And, if you take out the last for TJ carries, when the Browns new that the Chiefs were going to run the ball to ice the game. If you take out those for carries, TJ averaged over 4 yards a carry in the Cleveland game.

When you really break it down, I think you might actually see what the coaches see.

I will also note that if you take the 56 yard run out of the San Diego game, TJ and JC have the same yards per carry. JC is a tremendous playmaker, but he isn't the workhorse that TJ is and TJ rarely takes a loss. TJ is always falling forward.

JC actually had one more carry than TJ in the San Diego game, but it was called back on a penalty.

Even with all this said, I think JC needs to get on the field more. However, this isn't fantasy football, you have to look at more than just the box score to understand why guys are in the game during certain situations.

CHENZ A! · 09-23-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Jamal needs more carries, and Cassel (to this point) sucks???

Just sayin....

eat shit one who sucks the penis.

POND_OF_RED · 09-23-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

The problem is that Charles isn't as good in pass protection, so of course the opposition keys on him getting the ball. I am hoping that this leads to two RB sets in the future.

I say we run the wishbone. Put Jones right behind Cassel in the FB spot and throw Charles and McCluster behind them. Defenses wouldn't know what to do. It's not like we need a passing formation for anything.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-23-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

I say we run the wishbone. Put Jones right behind Cassel in the FB spot and throw Charles and McCluster behind them. Defenses wouldn't know what to do. It's not like we need a passing formation for anything.

I would be TOTALLY down for some old fashioned wishbone!

CrazyHorse · 09-24-2010, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

that's a false choice. we have both, so its a mute point.

and RBBC is the way it is now in the National Football League.

a question to the Planet whiners - would you rather get 400 carries out of JC this year and then he's done (a la LJ, Eddie George, Jamal Anderson), or limit his carries early, still win, and keep him fresh longer?

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Originally Posted by sedated

that's a false choice. we have both, so its a mute point.

and RBBC is the way it is now in the National Football League.

a question to the Planet whiners - would you rather get 400 carries out of JC this year and then he's done (a la LJ, Eddie George, Jamal Anderson), or limit his carries early, still win, and keep him fresh longer?

False choice? That was dumb. The thread is about one being better than the other so I ask which one would you want

Why does it have to be 400 carries?

If we were 0-2 there would be no debate. Everyone would want our best back getting the carries. Offense is not winning games for us. When it starts losing games I think we will allll be on the same page.

EnviroMatt · 09-24-2010, 08:10 AM

Anyone else see the resemblance?!?

400 carries is no problem for TJ!

09-23-2010, 09:36 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	TJ was better than Charles in Cleveland. I know this will catch some grief, but the reality is that other than the 20 yard run against a defense expecting a pass at the end of the first half, JC averaged less than 3 yards a carry and broke no runs of longer than 10 yards. Charles got the ball on 3-1 at the Cleveland six at 9:31 to go in the third quarter. At that point, TJ had one more carry than Charles. One. Charles took a two yard loss. At that point, the Chiefs started going to TJ more and more down the stretch. I won't blame that solely on Charles, it was a combination of blocking, defense, etc. But, clearly, the match up versus Cleveland favored Thomas Jones. It was evident in nearly every carry other than the one that JC got at the end of the half. And, if you take out the last for TJ carries, when the Browns new that the Chiefs were going to run the ball to ice the game. If you take out those for carries, TJ averaged over 4 yards a carry in the Cleveland game. When you really break it down, I think you might actually see what the coaches see. I will also note that if you take the 56 yard run out of the San Diego game, TJ and JC have the same yards per carry. JC is a tremendous playmaker, but he isn't the workhorse that TJ is and TJ rarely takes a loss. TJ is always falling forward. JC actually had one more carry than TJ in the San Diego game, but it was called back on a penalty. Even with all this said, I think JC needs to get on the field more. However, this isn't fantasy football, you have to look at more than just the box score to understand why guys are in the game during certain situations.
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EnviroMatt Rookie Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10004900	Anyone else see the resemblance?!? 400 carries is no problem for TJ!
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