Royals Grienke to BREWERS - Page 4

kstater · 12-19-2010, 07:02 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5935586

Former Cy Young Award winner Zack Greinke has been traded to the Milwaukee Brewers, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Sunday morning.
In the deal, the Brewers would reportedly send the Royals outfielder Lorenzo Cain, shortstop Alcides Escobar and prospect pitchers Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress for Greinke, 10-14 with a 4.17 ERA in 2010 with the Royals after winning the 2009 Cy Young.
The Brewers were expected to receive another major leaguer in the deal. Jim Breem of the blog "Bernie's Crew" reported that player to be shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt.

diveonthefloor31 · 12-19-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight

jazayerli

So it appears Jeffress is indeed out, but PTBNL in. Wonderful - the biggest Royals trade in ages, and we can't really analyze it yet.

Hoping for Arnett, Heckathorn, Braddock, or Rivas.

Jeffress is a pothead

CaliforniaChief · 12-19-2010, 09:46 AM

This is embarrassing. If the Chiefs don't win today, it's gonna be a helluva bad weekend in God's country.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-19-2010, 09:48 AM

It puzzles me why he wouldn't agree to go to DC.

CaliforniaChief · 12-19-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It puzzles me why he wouldn't agree to go to DC.

Psychotropic meds must cost more in DC.

chiefsnorth · 12-19-2010, 09:54 AM

Escobar, who turned 24 earlier this week, was viewed by Baseball America as the Brewers' top prospect heading into the 2010 season, his first full year in the bigs. Although he struggled at the plate, hitting .235/.288/.326 in 552 plate appearances, Escobar provided above-average defense at shortstop, according to UZR. Baseball America's scouting report prior to the season dubbed Escobar a "defensive whiz" and a "special defender," while also citing a hope that he'd develop into a solid leadoff option. The 24-year-old's minor league numbers (.293/.333/.377, 176 SB) indicate that his offensive game should continue to improve at the major league level.

Cain, 24, was considered one of the Brewers' top 10 prospects even before a hugely successful 2010 campaign. After hitting .317/.402/.432 across two minor league levels, Cain received his first shot at the bigs, and posted a .306/.348/.415 slash line in 148 plate appearances in Milwaukee. Like Escobar, Cain's primary strengths are his speed and athleticism. Baseball America suggested before the 2010 season that he "could be a more prolific and successful basestealer," and Cain responded by stealing 33 bases in 37 attempts between the minors and majors. According to Baseball America, the former 17th-round pick shows "flashes of power but is mostly a gap hitter."

Odorizzi, meanwhile, was rated by some teams as the best high school pitcher in the 2008 draft, according to Baseball America. Just 20 years old, Odorizzi is the only player in the deal who has yet to see major league action, but he turned in an impressive year at Class A Wisconsin, recording a 3.43 ERA and 10.1 K/9 in 120 2/3 innings. ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick notes in a tweet that the right-hander was ranked first in Milwaukee's system in Baseball America's upcoming Prospect Handbook.

The move represents the second major pitching acquisition of the winter for the Brewers, who previously traded top prospect Brett Lawrie to the Blue Jays for Shaun Marcum. The Brewers had long indicated a desire to shore up a starting rotation whose 4.65 ERA ranked near the bottom of the National League in 2010. Moving a handful of young players in the two trades, while hanging on to Prince Fielder, suggests that the club feels they can immediately contend in the NL Central.

eazyb81 · 12-19-2010, 10:02 AM

Some of you are such f'n vaginas. My God.

Escobar was the 12th overall prospect in baseball 12 months ago. He provides plus-plus defense at shortstop, which is worth its weight in gold.

So many want to hail the Teixeira trade as the mega haul of all-time we should have aimed for, which Elvis Andrus was the cornerstone talent in the package Texas received. People, Alcides Escobar is the closest comp to Andrus in the sport.

Rag on Escobar's rookie season line all you want, but with his defense, he doesn't need to OPS 900 to provide All Star value.

Odorizzi will be a top 60 overall prospect, Cain is a nice young CF that can actually hit and play defense, and we have a PTBNL that will most likely be a young, projectable player from the 2010 draft.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-19-2010, 10:06 AM

In the Nats deal, Washington would have given up Drew Storen and Danny Espinoza. I know nothing of Espinoza, but Storen is the goods.

eazyb81 · 12-19-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

In the Nats deal, Washington would have given up Drew Storen and Danny Espinoza. I know nothing of Espinoza, but Storen is the goods.

He's also a reliever. Decent throw-in but hardly worthy of centering a deal around.

**wazu** · 12-19-2010, 10:07 AM

My seven year old, after I told him what we got in the trade: "But Grienke was our best player...so does that mean Soria is our best player now?"

KevB · 12-19-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Some of you are such f'n vaginas. My God.

Escobar was the 12th overall prospect in baseball 12 months ago. He provides plus-plus defense at shortstop, which is worth its weight in gold.

So many want to hail the Teixeira trade as the mega haul of all-time we should have aimed for, which Elvis Andrus was the cornerstone talent in the package Texas received. People, Alcides Escobar is the closest comp to Andrus in the sport.

Rag on Escobar's rookie season line all you want, but with his defense, he doesn't need to OPS 900 to provide All Star value.

Odorizzi will be a top 60 overall prospect, Cain is a nice young CF that can actually hit and play defense, and we have a PTBNL that will most likely be a young, projectable player from the 2010 draft.

I'm with you, I don't hate the deal. We'll see who the PTBNL will be, as that could make the deal better as well. DM has preached pitching and defense to fit the park, and that's exactly what he got in this deal. I would have felt better about it if Lawrie were still with the Brewers and had been included, but oh well. We didn't get any big bats it appears, but I'm hopeful that they have plans in that area with money and other prospects to use. This is just another step along the way.

**DeezNutz** · 12-19-2010, 10:19 AM

Who cares what Escobar was 12 months ago? All prospects are great and have tremendous upside until they're exposed. The most disconcerting thing is his defensive regression, with his horrendous OBP a close second.

We have no choice but to give it the benefit of the doubt, but, on paper, this is a terrible trade for Greinke.

Now we have to be hopeful.

**Bowser** · 12-19-2010, 10:19 AM

Hahahahahaha

Good God

And you better be right, easyb. We better see marked improvements THIS season, or Moore can GTFO. He can take the Glass family with him, too.

JoeyChuckles · 12-19-2010, 10:20 AM

I read that we got the Brewers top two pitching prospects and top two up the middle prospects. Plus we got rid of Betancourt. What's not to like?

**wazu** · 12-19-2010, 10:23 AM

I guess if Rany likes it, I'll give it a chance. When it comes to the Royals, I just can't invest myself enough to think I know exponentially more than the experts like I do with the Chiefs.

tk13 · 12-19-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It puzzles me why he wouldn't agree to go to DC.

Probably didn't want to go to a big city like that.

12-19-2010, 07:02 AM
kstater Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2007 Casino cash: $-1703437	Grienke to BREWERS http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5935586 Former Cy Young Award winner Zack Greinke has been traded to the Milwaukee Brewers, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Sunday morning. In the deal, the Brewers would reportedly send the Royals outfielder Lorenzo Cain, shortstop Alcides Escobar and prospect pitchers Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress for Greinke, 10-14 with a 4.17 ERA in 2010 with the Royals after winning the 2009 Cy Young. The Brewers were expected to receive another major leaguer in the deal. Jim Breem of the blog "Bernie's Crew" reported that player to be shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt.
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chiefsnorth Veteran Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $10004900	Escobar, who turned 24 earlier this week, was viewed by Baseball America as the Brewers' top prospect heading into the 2010 season, his first full year in the bigs. Although he struggled at the plate, hitting .235/.288/.326 in 552 plate appearances, Escobar provided above-average defense at shortstop, according to UZR. Baseball America's scouting report prior to the season dubbed Escobar a "defensive whiz" and a "special defender," while also citing a hope that he'd develop into a solid leadoff option. The 24-year-old's minor league numbers (.293/.333/.377, 176 SB) indicate that his offensive game should continue to improve at the major league level. Cain, 24, was considered one of the Brewers' top 10 prospects even before a hugely successful 2010 campaign. After hitting .317/.402/.432 across two minor league levels, Cain received his first shot at the bigs, and posted a .306/.348/.415 slash line in 148 plate appearances in Milwaukee. Like Escobar, Cain's primary strengths are his speed and athleticism. Baseball America suggested before the 2010 season that he "could be a more prolific and successful basestealer," and Cain responded by stealing 33 bases in 37 attempts between the minors and majors. According to Baseball America, the former 17th-round pick shows "flashes of power but is mostly a gap hitter." Odorizzi, meanwhile, was rated by some teams as the best high school pitcher in the 2008 draft, according to Baseball America. Just 20 years old, Odorizzi is the only player in the deal who has yet to see major league action, but he turned in an impressive year at Class A Wisconsin, recording a 3.43 ERA and 10.1 K/9 in 120 2/3 innings. ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick notes in a tweet that the right-hander was ranked first in Milwaukee's system in Baseball America's upcoming Prospect Handbook. The move represents the second major pitching acquisition of the winter for the Brewers, who previously traded top prospect Brett Lawrie to the Blue Jays for Shaun Marcum. The Brewers had long indicated a desire to shore up a starting rotation whose 4.65 ERA ranked near the bottom of the National League in 2010. Moving a handful of young players in the two trades, while hanging on to Prince Fielder, suggests that the club feels they can immediately contend in the NL Central.
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eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $9984900	Some of you are such f'n vaginas. My God. Escobar was the 12th overall prospect in baseball 12 months ago. He provides plus-plus defense at shortstop, which is worth its weight in gold. So many want to hail the Teixeira trade as the mega haul of all-time we should have aimed for, which Elvis Andrus was the cornerstone talent in the package Texas received. People, Alcides Escobar is the closest comp to Andrus in the sport. Rag on Escobar's rookie season line all you want, but with his defense, he doesn't need to OPS 900 to provide All Star value. Odorizzi will be a top 60 overall prospect, Cain is a nice young CF that can actually hit and play defense, and we have a PTBNL that will most likely be a young, projectable player from the 2010 draft.
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The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9273645	In the Nats deal, Washington would have given up Drew Storen and Danny Espinoza. I know nothing of Espinoza, but Storen is the goods. __________________
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wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1787705 VARSITY	My seven year old, after I told him what we got in the trade: "But Grienke was our best player...so does that mean Soria is our best player now?"
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wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1787705 VARSITY	I guess if Rany likes it, I'll give it a chance. When it comes to the Royals, I just can't invest myself enough to think I know exponentially more than the experts like I do with the Chiefs.
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