Tim Tebow is a shitty quarterback.

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[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

this thread speaks volumes on how good Matt Cassel really is.

think i should i have said How bad Matt Cassel is.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Okay, as Jack Webb said, "just the facts":

1.) Knowmo clearly huffs paint. Just off the top of my head, "in crunch time" I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning (if he was healthy), and probably Rapistberger.

2.) Tim Tebow is not "a shitty quarterback". He's not a very good passer (at least at the moment). Time will tell if he gets better at that. But being the quarterback is not just about throwing pretty passes; there are other factors as well. It's also about clock management, decision-making, your ability to scramble, your ability to win, the amount of confidence your teammates have in you... all areas where Tebow seems, for some reason, to have advantages. The buzzword is "intangibles". He seems to have 'em. Frankly, given the choice between a pure passer who can't do anything else right, or a guy like Tebow who seems to do everything else except pass the ball, I'd take the Tebow guy. You can teach someone how to throw the ball; you can't teach someone how to win, how to be cool under pressure, how to rally his teammates, etc.,. Cool is Brady driving the ball in the '01 SB and then spiking it and calmly flipping it to the ref. Cool is Joe Montana in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl, pointing out John Candy. And cool is doing jack shit all day and getting the ball back with 5 minutes to go, on your 5, and getting the winning TD pretty much by yourself. If Matt Cassel ever did that, there'd be jizz covering the midwest.

3.) Having said that, life for a running quarterback usually doesn't turn out so well. Even the supposed best-of-the-best (Dogkiller) can be figured out eventually... or, at least, beaten into submission. Running quarterbacks not only have a game you can counter (if you have the coaching brainpower and personnel), but they get killed physically. If he doesn't learn to throw the ball without taking hits, his career will last only a few seasons. And better teams WILL figure it out. What he pulled against the Jets may not fly against the Steelers or Ravens... or even against the Patriots, or another team that can simply outscore Denver. If the Broncos are down 35-7 by the 4th, Tebow's heroics won't help. It's only good for one score, apparently.

Bottom line: as the sole starting quarterback on a not-great team, Tebow's magic will run out. But if given time to learn how to throw properly, and used as a change-of-pace QB in the meantime until he learns how to throw, there's nothing wrong with him. And, on a better team, they might be able to use him as a starter and overcome his passing shortcomings. I'd love to have him back up Brady, personally.

I'm not really sure why there's such a backlash against Tebow's religion. I mean, there are plenty of athletes who are religious. If, in a postgame, I hear one more player "thank Jesus for blessing me with the physical skills" blah blah blah, I'll shoot someone. Why does Tebow get such flak? Is it, weirdly enough, because he's white? I think so, although I can't figure out why. He seems like a nice enough guy, and--as was pointed out elsewhere--if he was Jewish we wouldn't be making Hanukkah jokes, would we? Why is the fact that he's such a religious Christian rub people the wrong way? People picking on him all the time, plus the fact that people pick on his inability to throw the ball, make me actually root for him more and more with each win, despite my Bronco hatred. I'd be fine if the Broncos lose because Tebow plays great and one of his teammates makes a bonehead turnover. And I'm atheist/agnostic.

Solid.

[Dave Lane]

Jamarcus Russel > Tebow as a QB

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Okay, as Jack Webb said, "just the facts":

1.) Knowmo clearly huffs paint. Just off the top of my head, "in crunch time" I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning (if he was healthy), and probably Rapistberger.

2.) Tim Tebow is not "a shitty quarterback". He's not a very good passer (at least at the moment). Time will tell if he gets better at that. But being the quarterback is not just about throwing pretty passes; there are other factors as well. It's also about clock management, decision-making, your ability to scramble, your ability to win, the amount of confidence your teammates have in you... all areas where Tebow seems, for some reason, to have advantages. The buzzword is "intangibles". He seems to have 'em. Frankly, given the choice between a pure passer who can't do anything else right, or a guy like Tebow who seems to do everything else except pass the ball, I'd take the Tebow guy. You can teach someone how to throw the ball; you can't teach someone how to win, how to be cool under pressure, how to rally his teammates, etc.,. Cool is Brady driving the ball in the '01 SB and then spiking it and calmly flipping it to the ref. Cool is Joe Montana in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl, pointing out John Candy. And cool is doing jack shit all day and getting the ball back with 5 minutes to go, on your 5, and getting the winning TD pretty much by yourself. If Matt Cassel ever did that, there'd be jizz covering the midwest.

3.) Having said that, life for a running quarterback usually doesn't turn out so well. Even the supposed best-of-the-best (Dogkiller) can be figured out eventually... or, at least, beaten into submission. Running quarterbacks not only have a game you can counter (if you have the coaching brainpower and personnel), but they get killed physically. If he doesn't learn to throw the ball without taking hits, his career will last only a few seasons. And better teams WILL figure it out. What he pulled against the Jets may not fly against the Steelers or Ravens... or even against the Patriots, or another team that can simply outscore Denver. If the Broncos are down 35-7 by the 4th, Tebow's heroics won't help. It's only good for one score, apparently.

Bottom line: as the sole starting quarterback on a not-great team, Tebow's magic will run out. But if given time to learn how to throw properly, and used as a change-of-pace QB in the meantime until he learns how to throw, there's nothing wrong with him. And, on a better team, they might be able to use him as a starter and overcome his passing shortcomings. I'd love to have him back up Brady, personally.

I'm not really sure why there's such a backlash against Tebow's religion. I mean, there are plenty of athletes who are religious. If, in a postgame, I hear one more player "thank Jesus for blessing me with the physical skills" blah blah blah, I'll shoot someone. Why does Tebow get such flak? Is it, weirdly enough, because he's white? I think so, although I can't figure out why. He seems like a nice enough guy, and--as was pointed out elsewhere--if he was Jewish we wouldn't be making Hanukkah jokes, would we? Why is the fact that he's such a religious Christian rub people the wrong way? People picking on him all the time, plus the fact that people pick on his inability to throw the ball, make me actually root for him more and more with each win, despite my Bronco hatred. I'd be fine if the Broncos lose because Tebow plays great and one of his teammates makes a bonehead turnover. And I'm atheist/agnostic.

Good read. But I think Tebow is a lot like Cassel in regard to the fact when it comes to the heat of the game, he reverts back to what he has done in the past.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush and there isn't anything Rodgers can do about it, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

You are literally the dumbest person on earth.

[kcfanXIII]

knowmo has had a huge man crush on teabag since the spent a first rounder on him. i remember seeing him say that teblow would be a bigger star then michal jordan.

[listopencil]

The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought to do and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do; and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Bacillus Anthracis

They put up 38 against the Raiders.


I'm gonna go step in front of a bus now.

They don't count. Plus they had a punt return TD and multiple Palmerceptions to fluff that score.

[4th and Long]

Tebow out of the pocket > Tebow in the pocket

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by listopencil

The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought to do and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do; and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how poor the dude throws the football. Like someone said earlier, the passes are so far off the defender doesn't have a chance to intercept it. It's pretty much a Wildcat (Jesus) offense at this point and like the Fins it will end badly if he can't improve his accuracy.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by PGM

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how poor the dude throws the football. Like someone said earlier, the passes are so far off the defender doesn't have a chance to intercept it. It's pretty much a Wildcat (Jesus) offense at this point and like the Fins it will end badly if he can't improve his accuracy.

All true and if things play out and he remains the QB... they need to address the weapons in the passing game.

Decker has the makings of being a Jordy Nelson type... but, that's not a #1 receiver which is what he is playing as right now in that offense. Thomas needs to step up. Royal is a good #3 type.

They have NOTHING worth suiting up at TE and that is where the big issue is in my opinion, that and a solid pass catching RB.

The short passing game is what will help them if Tebow is to remain the QB. Go find weapons that can be effective 10-15 yards out and build around the successful aspects of what their doing today.

Right now, Tebow stands back there and it's really either Decker or Royal... 15+ yards and that is what is not sustainable with this QB. They need more options, people that can play within this scheme. If they don't do that, then they need to go another direction with QB.

If they want to ride this train, keep the fans excited and build around Tebow - making him a better passing QB, do these things.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush and there isn't anything Rodgers can do about it, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

Thank you. That is the best laugh I've had all day.

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

While I agree with the rest of your post you’re not going to see Rodgers breaking arm tackles, stiff arming line backers and dropping a shoulder into a safety for extra yards. Granted that’s partially because he doesn’t have to but it’s also because Tebow isn’t just a little bit better at running, he’s a lot better. Obviously if he doesn’t learn to throw he’ll have a three season career, maybe, but give the man his due.
In the meantime, I’m just amazed that NFL teams are actually being beaten by Jake Plummer’s less talented clone.

Watch Rodgers more, he's a very good running QB he just also knows that he can do a whole lot more damage with his arm than his legs. Tebow will collect concussions like pokemon running the way he does. Ask Steve Young (hopefully in a lucid moment) how that worked out for him, and he was actually an accurate passer.

[Mile High Mania]

Mix the following ... Elway with a banged up throwing arm in a sling, Chuck Norris, Mr. Rogers and William Wallace ... you get Tim Tebow.

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Mix the following ... Elway with a banged up throwing arm in a sling, Chuck Norris, Mr. Rogers and William Wallace ... you get Tim Tebow.

Tebow has to learn to throw but i like what Denvers doing....

winning.